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- From: borden@head-cfa.harvard.edu (Dave Borden)
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- Subject: Re: Why can't the liberals just admit that public education has failed?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan25.170511.981@m5.harvard.edu>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 17:05:11 GMT
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- Organization: Smithsonian Astrophysical Observatory, Cambridge, MA, USA
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- brian@quake.sylmar.ca.us (Brian K. Yoder) writes:
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- >>Is this a good thing? No. But my point was that the average suburban
- >>public school *offers* the same chance for a good education that the
- >>average private school does. It doesn't ram it down your throat, but it
- >>offers it.
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- >Well, they do "offer" some snippets of education, but they do everything they
- >can to keep it "locked away in a safe" away from the students. To say that
- >they don't ram it down your throat is an understatement.
-
- I have a literal example of this. I'm reading a book right now, called
- "36 Children". It's actually an education classic, about a teacher's experience
- with his class in Harlem, and a demonstration that the problems of the inner-city
- schools are not so much with the students as with the system. The book is often
- read in education courses and a number of friends of mine read it when they were
- in school. I've met the author, Herbert Kohl - his son and daughter-in-law are
- good friends of mine. He lives now on an idyllic piece of land in PointArena, in
- northern California, where he teaches, writes, and sometimes conducts
- conferences, workshops, etc.
-
- Well, enough background; here's the example. At one point in the school year, in
- fact fairly early in the year, some of the students in the class had expressed an
- interest in chemistry. Kohl asked the Assistant Principal if the school had any
- such materials which could be used, and was told that they didn't. The students
- knew better, however, and quickly and quietly retrieved the chemistry set from
- the closet in which it was kept locked away, never used. The principal was a
- little more helpful than the assistant principal, when Kohl questioned him about
- the matter. He gave him a key to the closet, and permission to get anything he
- wanted from it whenever he wanted. He did ask Kohl if he really thought the
- students would be able to get anything out of it. Needless to say, they did.
-
- - Dave Borden
- borden@m5.harvard.edu
-