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- From: zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu (Joseph Zell)
- Subject: Re: God exists. Proof within.
- Message-ID: <C1DG3r.E68@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu>
- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
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- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:45:12 GMT
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- robm@void.ncsa.uiuc.edu (Rob McCool) writes:
-
- >This example is not a good one. The THEORY of Relativity is just that: a
- > theory. It has not been proven, even though the tests we are currently
- > able to use show that it is true. However, there are a lot of holes in
- > the theory which are unknown, and they remain precisely that. Unknown.
- > To say that these holes must act how we expect them to is speculation
- > and inference, not fact or logic. If one of these holes is disproven,
- > another theory will come along. And it will be just that. A theory.
-
- Science and Religion are treated very differently in that respect. Look
- at the THEORY of Evolution. Yet many atheists out there cite it as
- FACT. School board can teach the THEORY of Evolution, but not the THEORY
- of Creation. Well, if it's only a Theory, then they should examine other
- theories as well. I don't want to start a seperation of church and state
- argument :) but my point is that many (most?) people will use an unproven
- theory put forth by science as absolute, irrefutable, can't be any other
- way FACT, while a religious theory is judged by the fact that not everything
- is there, so it's false. At least, that is the mindset I see a lot. Nothing
- will be accomplished in these discussions until the bias as gone.
- Joe
-
- >Moses disappeared on a mountain top for forty days and came back down
- > again with ten laws on stone tablets for the Isrealites. Moses claims
- > that a bush was afire (but not consumed), and God gave him the tablets.
- > We have no proof one way or the other if he was right or not. The facts we
- > have, in the Bible or elsewhere, just don't logically lead to the
- > conclusion that this must be the way it happened. Moses could have sat down
- > and written them himself for all we know. What happened up there is unknown,
- > and likely will never be.
-
- True. Just as we will nevre know what happened billions of years ago, when
- supposedly a 10000 km across superatom exploded for no reason. Actually, another
- fact (dealing with that Moses story above) that has confounded secular archeolo-
- gists. Back in the time of the Israelites, determined from the digs in that
- area, EVERY (but one) group of people had a very similar view of god. They
- saw him as a very angry and vengeful THING, which had to be appeased by
- sacrafices. Except the Israelites. Surrounded pn all sides by people with
- this view, they had a view of a God that was a Person, that loved them and
- cared for them. Never has there been any example of anything developing like
- this, with those conditions, in the known history of man. Yes, maybe Moses
- did make up the ten commandments. But could one man have affected a people
- in such a positive way, when what they were believing was absolutely unheard
- of in the area? You tell me. Again, not a proof of God, necessarily, but another
- snipet of evidence.
- Joe
-
- --
- Joe Zell * "I knew Thomas Jefferson. Thomas Jefferson was my
- zell@ux1.cso.uiuc.edu * friend..."
- * -Ronald Reagan, 1992 GOP convention speech
-