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- From: tyadav@athena.mit.edu (T.Y.)
- Subject: Re: God exists. Proof within.
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 22:23:59 GMT
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- > tyadav@athena.mit.edu (T.Y.) writes:
- > >that night saw me cruising thru Spinoza. Spinoza neatly proceeds to merge
- > >the concept of god with harmony, nature and universal laws.
-
- torkel@sics.se (Torkel Franzen) asks:
- > Which statements of Spinoza's implied to you that he merged the concept of
- >god with harmony, nature and universal laws?
-
- Following is the best I can do offhand; Even tho it ain't directly from
- literal translation of Spinoza's work (i don't have them handly), still it
- gives what you asked for.
-
- disclaimer: at the end of this post
- ref:
- Spinoza's Philosophy: An Outline
- Errol E. Harris
- ISBN 0-391-03736-4
- B3998.H275 1992
-
- chapter 3: the idea of god and his existence
- page 24
-
- /begin{quote} (typos and emphasis are mine)
-
- We must next explain how Spinoza expounds in detail the nature of God
- and the manner in which finite things depend upon God, but before we do
- so, let us digress somewhat to consider why, both in his own day and ever
- since, he has been accused of atheism.
-
- It would seem perverse in extreme to call a philosopher an atheist who
- spent so much space and ingenuity on proving the existence of God and
- elaborating his infinite and eternal nature, as does Spinoza. So much
- is his thought permeated by his conception of God that Novalis called
- him "God-intoxicated." YET BECAUSE HE IDENTIFIED GOD WITH NATURE, he
- seemed from the first, and to many he still does seem, to deny the
- existence of any God such as traditional religion recognizes. Tradition
- speaks of a God separate from the world, who by an act of free will
- created the world out of nothing, and rules over it as does a king his
- kingdom. For Spinoza the Universe is the totality of all that is, and
- he identifies it with God, which for the traditionalist, is tantamount
- to a denial of God's existence as a separate sovereign being. Moreover,
- Spinoza denies that God created the world out of nothing by an act of
- free will.............
-
- /end{quote}
-
- disclaimers:
- [1] i do not agree with everything Spinoza wrote, but still he is fun to
- play with once in a while.
- [2] the quote, as you can see, is an interpretation of Spinoza (thats not same
- as me/you interpreting Spinoza.) So, you may want to go into the
- references yourself for more, and more, and...... :)
-
- T.Y.
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