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- From: cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok)
- Subject: Re: Altruism and Causes vs. Reasons
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 03:54:53 GMT
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- In article <1jnpo3INNmau@msuinfo.cl.msu.edu> KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu writes:
- >cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
- >>the word "selfish" means "concerned with the self". the rest
- >>of the negative baggage such as "not caring about others" that
- >>many people attach to the word is an interpretation only.
- >
- > Sorry to disagree with you (well, not really...B+), but selfishness DOES
- >have a negative meaning implied i.e.concerned with the self TO THE POINT OF NOT
- >CARING ABOUT THE OTHER(S). That Ayn used "selfishness" with an archaic meaning
- >(if it had that meaning at all) does not change its general meaning.
-
- gee. i seem to remember ending this thread last week.
-
- >>yes, words mean whatever people agree they do, but that does
- >>not mean there cannot be drift in meaning. and Rand wrote her
- >>works many years ago.
- >
- > If I remember right, she used (and redfined) the term "selfish" knowing
- >full well what everyone else meant when they used the term "selfish." It was
- >her conscious choice, and the resulting trouble in communications was the price
- >paid.
-
- gee. i seem to remember already making this point a couple of eons ago.
-
- >>unless you can produce a degree in etymology, you will forgive
- >>my ignoring your challenge. if anyone out there actually
- >>has some *authority* to speak on the matter, please do.
- >
- > Do you know english? Since when did a degree in etymology become the
- >password for talking about word meanings? Ayn didn't even KNOW English before
- >immigrating to the US.
-
- you have jumped into the middle of a long-settled dispute.
-
- >>>Just think of it, all those millions of people, for all those hundreds
- >>>of years before Rand was born, not knowing what this word meant.
- >>
- >>stuff it, Mark.
- >
- >Ponder it, Charles. I myself find it amusing. B+)
-
- next time you join a new newsgroup, please be courteous enough
- to peruse the threads to which you respond before posting such
- drivel.
-
- amuse yourself at your own expense.
-
- >Kamchatka Charlie KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
- >an EX-objectivist, and glad about it.
-
- maybe we should be glad, too.
-
- --
- charles
-