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- From: KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
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- Subject: Re: Altruism and Causes vs. Reasons
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- Date: 22 Jan 93 03:30:11 GMT
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- cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
- >ccmlh@buitc.bu.edu (Mark Hayes) writes:
- >>cmk@athena.mit.edu (Charles M Kozierok) writes:
- >>
- >>> that said, if objectivists want to communicate with all those
- >>> out there who use the word "selfish" incorrectly...
- >>
- >>Fascinating. Are we to understand that everyone but Rand is
- >>wrong about what the English word "selfish" means?
- >
- >the word "selfish" means "concerned with the self". the rest
- >of the negative baggage such as "not caring about others" that
- >many people attach to the word is an interpretation only.
-
- Sorry to disagree with you (well, not really...B+), but selfishness DOES
- have a negative meaning implied i.e.concerned with the self TO THE POINT OF NOT
- CARING ABOUT THE OTHER(S). That Ayn used "selfishness" with an archaic meaning
- (if it had that meaning at all) does not change its general meaning.
-
- >yes, words mean whatever people agree they do, but that does
- >not mean there cannot be drift in meaning. and Rand wrote her
- >works many years ago.
-
- If I remember right, she used (and redfined) the term "selfish" knowing
- full well what everyone else meant when they used the term "selfish." It was
- her conscious choice, and the resulting trouble in communications was the price
- paid.
-
- >unless you can produce a degree in etymology, you will forgive
- >my ignoring your challenge. if anyone out there actually
- >has some *authority* to speak on the matter, please do.
-
- Do you know english? Since when did a degree in etymology become the
- password for talking about word meanings? Ayn didn't even KNOW English before
- immigrating to the US.
-
- >>Just think of it, all those millions of people, for all those hundreds
- >>of years before Rand was born, not knowing what this word meant.
- >
- >stuff it, Mark.
-
- Ponder it, Charles. I myself find it amusing. B+)
-
- Kamchatka Charlie KAMCHAR@ibm.cl.msu.edu
- an EX-objectivist, and glad about it.
-