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- From: abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell)
- Subject: Re: Evidence for the market
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.185439.5786@netcom.com>
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 18:54:39 GMT
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- sulkom@ubvmsb.cc.buffalo.edu (Mark Sulkowski) writes:
- >abell@netcom.com (Steven T. Abell) writes:
- >>svanegmo@cantor.math.uwaterloo.ca (Stephen Van Egmond) writes:
-
- >>>Actually, it has been shown, and is accepted (at least by my ECON 101 text,
- >>>which on the whole is a balanced assessment of free-market behaviour), that
- >>>there is a type of good called a "public good" which, if left to the market,
- >>>would not be provided.
-
- >>>The typical example is military defence. I recognize that in an Objectivist
- >>>world, the military would have little or no place.
-
- >>Not true. Defense is one of the few "public goods" required from the
- >>government by objectivism. It is a necessity, but is not provided by
- >>a legitimate market because it is neither constructive nor based on
- >>service to individuals.
-
- > Excuse me? Did I understand you correctly?
-
- > Most people would agree with you (as do I) that defense is a "public
- >good" and it is necessary in a world filled with aggressive militaries.
- >But I don't understand your point that it is neither "constructive"
- >or a "service".
-
- > Defense most certainly is a service. Its job is to protect
- >your life and property. How is this not a service?
-
- > Perhaps you mean that it is not "constructive". But what does
- >that have to do with anything? If defense serves a purpose for you,
- >you would be willing to pay for it. You would pay based upon the
- >degree of protection you want from foreign aggression.
-
- > The reason that "public goods" are difficult to provide is
- >that its benefits are difficult to internalize to paying customers.
- >This leads to people free riding off of their paying neighbors.
-
- > Constructiveness has absolutely nothing to do with it.
-
- Well, it's kind of subtle, and you have to read *all* of what I said.
-
- If you'll reread my posting, you'll see I said "service to individuals",
- that is, service to those who benefit directly from what they are paying for.
- Medical care is a good example. The benefits of national defense are diffuse
- and hard to measure in terms of individuals, even when those benefits are
- large.
-
- Constructiveness has to do with the desires of rational people. For example,
- I don't go running around destroying things just because it's possible. Some
- folks do, and that's OK, as long as they're paying for it and not harming
- others. While there is a philosophical difference between defense and
- destruction (at least, in a rational philosophy), this difference doesn't
- often matter much in terms of physical outcomes.
-
- Defense of a country against an external enemy is not something that can
- be carried out by individuals until the enemy has successfully invaded.
- External defense doesn't provide anything that enhances life under what we
- like to think of as normal circumstances (fails constructiveness test).
- And while defense can help maintain quality of life, there's no feedback
- channel to maintain quality of service during peacetime because the system
- isn't being tested in a way that individuals can immediately perceive (fails
- service-to-individuals test). Because of these two non-features, rational
- people don't build private markets in external defense.
-
- Steve abell@netcom.com
-