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- From: tegray@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (Thomas E. Gray)
- Newsgroups: alt.personals
- Subject: Re: Gays in the Military
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.032038.4262@Princeton.EDU>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 03:20:38 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan27.021414.2829@odin.corp.sgi.com> mikey@sgi.com writes:
- >|> Funny, we were just wondering what you think! What I mean is, shouldn't you
- >|> say first what you think about it before asking us? But anyway, here is my
- >|> opinion.
- >
- >Based on your opinion, here's mine. I don't think Blacks should have
- >been allowed in the military back in time where the policy changed.
- >Those Southerners were sure darn right back then:
- >
- >Here are some of the problems I see arising. How would a White male
- >feel about sharing the showers with a Black? How would a Black feel
- >about it? Would there be punishments for Blacks harassing Whites?
- >Would the Blacks be safe, considering that WASP-tendencies are pretty
- >strong in the military?
- >
- >The bottom line is: the military's purpose is defence. Would its efficiency
- >be affected by admitting Blacks, because of the problems this would generate?
- >Can a country take such a risk with its defence system?
- >
- >Basically, I agree that Blacks should be admitted in the military. There is
- >even a precedent since women are admitted. But that's an idealistic measure,
- >and I can see the point of those who oppose it. And maybe the world is just
- >not ready for this yet. Maybe other changes have to come first to prepare
- >our society for it.
- >
- >- M
-
-
- Mike, this satire fails for two reasons. First, it isn't funny, and
- second there is no real analogy to be drawn between the situation that
- gays face in a working environment dominated by heterosexuals and the
- situation that black men face in an environment dominated by white
- men.
-
- The real questions are sexual ones, and the analogy the original poster
- drew between women and gays was a fair one. We all know about the
- issues surrounding racial discrimination, and about the issues
- surrounding sexual discrimination, but they are not quite the same.
-
- The question of showers (so often raised these last few days) is not a
- joking one. It is not a misunderstanding of a homosexual to believe
- that he/she may be aroused by showering with others of the same sex
- any more than it is a misunderstanding to believe that heterosexual
- men or women may be aroused by showering with people of the opposite
- sex. It is the feeling of discomfort (call it "shame" or "modesty" or
- what you will) and self-consciousness that arises from nakedness with
- those who are sexually attracted to a person that is at issue here.
-
- If you think about the logical extensions of that discomfort into
- various interactions in the military you might very well conclude that
- avowed homosexuals in the military would, in fact, interfere with
- the ability of the organization to perform its job. You might conclude
- that such a situation would not be detrimental, but you should do so
- only after thinking about the real issues involved. Not all
- discrimination is the same.
-
- Please don't forget that the government is in the business of
- discriminating, and rightly so. It is the job of the government to
- decide who can drink, who can vote, whom one can marry, what is
- pornography and what is art, etc.
-
- Obviously there are issues surrounding gays in the military that are
- worth considering seriously. It is a grave disservice to the issue and
- the rights of all involved to mindlessly ridicule the debate.
-
-
-
- --
- Wells S. Hansen
- Classics Research
-