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- From: cortese@skid.ps.uci.edu (Janis Maria Cortese)
- Newsgroups: alt.pagan
- Subject: Re: contradiction?
- Message-ID: <2B672905.13339@news.service.uci.edu>
- Date: 28 Jan 93 00:29:57 GMT
- References: <C1JCqn.7A6@news.iastate.edu>
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- In article <C1JCqn.7A6@news.iastate.edu> txdv1@isuvax.iastate.edu writes:
- >>There is an irreconcilable logical contradiction between plain sense of
- >>the saying of Jesus recorded in Matthew 12:30 = Luke 11:23 (He that is not
- >>with me is against me) and Mark 9:40 (For he that is not against us is on
- >>our part). Any questions?
- >Yes. How is this a contradiction?
- >Parafrase/translation
- >1.who so ever is not with me is against me.
- >2.who so ever is not against us is on our part
- >on our part meens on our side or with us.
- >so
- >2.who soever is not against us is with us
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^
- >1.who soever is not with us is against us
- > ^^^^^^^^^ ^^^^^^^^^^
- >so both say the same thing. There are contradictions in the new testament
- >us one. It takes the weight out of an argument if your 'exsample' is false.
- >
- >Elf-Kin
-
-
- I think many people are calling this the ol' contrapositive thang, but
- actually they are equivalent.
-
- "If you are not with me, you are against me."
- "If you are not against me, you are with me."
-
- They both take the form if "If P, then Q." Consider "If it's raining,
- I'll carry my umbrella." This is certainly not equivalent to, "If I'm
- carrying my umbrella, it's raining" though, because there can be other
- reasons why I'm carrying my umbrella. We can all accept that the
- contrapositive of the first statement is okay, though, and equivalent:
- "If I'm not carrying my umbrella, it's not raining."
-
- Let's examine the sentences more closely now. Calling "you are with me"
- = P and "you are against me" = Q, the sentences scan as:
-
- 1) If ~P then Q.
- 2) If ~Q then P.
-
- Taking the contrapositive of statement 1), we get:
-
- 3) If ~Q, then ~~P.
-
- This is the same thing as 2), hence the two statements are logically
- consistent as they are indeed the contrapositives of each other.
-
- Blessings,
- Janis
-