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- From: joshua@cpac.washington.edu (Joshua Geller)
- Newsgroups: alt.magick
- Subject: Re: Alchemy
- Date: 23 Jan 93 13:26:43 GMT
- Organization: Institute for the Study of Ancient Science
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- In-reply-to: Thyagi@cup.portal.com's message of Fri, 22 Jan 93 19:34:33 PST
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- In article <74198@cup.portal.com> Thyagi@cup.portal.com (Thyagi Morgoth
- NagaSiva) writes:
-
- > At some point it becomes reasonable to make a judgement. The
- > question is, when? I'll provide you with an example of reasoning
- > I follow:
-
- > I asked Lorenzo this:
-
- > ...What does what
- > you posted say (one way or the other) about the possibility of the
- > physical transmutation for any metal into gold?
-
-
- > Here is what Lorenzo said:
-
- > I was trying to keep the thinking clear about what could be going on
- > in terms of the physics we know. What makes gold appear to be gold is
- > its electronic properties. However, those properties are determined by
- > the number of protons in the nucleus. What that means is that unless
- > you find a way to change the number of protons in lead by three, or in
- > mercury by one, you are not going to get gold from them.
-
- > Gold is a pretty stable element. In terms of the physics we know
- > today, there is no *chemical* way to transform any element into any
- > other element. You could do it with an accelerator or neutron source,
- > or cosmic rays, but even then only in minute quantities.
-
- > To cut to the punch line, there is no physical process known to modern
- > physics or chemistry that can transmute elements, except in minute
- > quantities. And certainly none available to the ancient alchemist.
-
- exactly. and if, in fact, alchemical trasmutation is possible (something
- on which my opinion is strictly reserved), it would falsify modern nuclear
- theory to a greater or lesser degree.
-
- > This was my assumption also - that our present understanding,
- > based on quite a LOT of experiment with purely physical processes
- > (i.e. no psychic/psychological/spiritual/whatever influence of which
- > we are aware) is that such a physical transmutation is not possible
- > with present or past physical technology.
-
- > Please at least provide a theory which substantiates it, and
- > if possible provide some evidence that these claims might be in
- > any way literally true. Thank you.
-
- alchemy incorporates a subtle and complex body of theory. It is not
- (superficially) very close to modern chemical or physical theory,
- but it does exist. I refer you to paracelsus 'answers' an excerpt
- of which is published in one of the books I recommended to you for
- basic reading.
-
- josh
-