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- From: hotrod@dixie.com (The Hotrod List)
- Subject: RPM's and Gears
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- Date: Fri, 22 Jan 93 14:43:38 GMT
- Organization: Dixie Communications Public Access. The Mouth of the South.
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- Posted-Date: Friday, Jan 22 09:43:25
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- Dennis responds
- > JCA wrote
- > > Dennis writes:
- > >.JCA (me) wrote:
- > >> My best friend runs 5.30s in his [street legal] pro-stock Plymouth...
- > >> but it is a strictly 1/8th mile car... man I thought _we_ were radical!
- > >
- > >Mopar are more torque engines than small block Chevey engines. Some of the
- > >modern small block race engines are turning 8,000 plus rpm's. Most mopars
- > >loose there bottom end a little over 6,000 rpm's, unless radically built up.
- >
- > Although I am a firm Chevy man for drag racing, I hesitate to categorize
- > any particular manufacurer's engines as weak or strong...
- > The mopar engines I have known (I haven't owned any personally)
- > have been stronger than Hell! A friend has run a 340 in his Barracuda drag
- > car for several years that he _launches_ at 9,000 RPM and shifts at
- > 11,800 RPM!!!! He also has a B1 Wedge motor that he runs to 10,000 RPM.
- > Of course my best friend used to shift his LS-6 crate 454 at 7500 RPM
- > without any problems. Another friend shifts his 327 Chevy II wagon
- > (street car) at 8,500 RPM.
-
- Now may I ask if these are stock engines. I have seen quit a few stock 426
- wedges and 440's that dropped there bottom ends. I also know of a couple
- Hemi's that had complete bottomends put in and are shifted at 10,000 rpm's.
- with
- >
- > >The big thing is why waist your dollars putting in a cam that gives you
- > >the ability to crank 6,500 or 7,000 rpm's if you never will crank more
- > >than 4,500 rpms on an engine.
- >
- > I agree with you here... on the "street" the most durable power solution
- > is a high-displacement engine that is very mild, making it's power below
- > 6,500 RPM.
- >
- > >My friend now is using 5.5 gears on his Chevelle with a 454 that is heaviely
- > >reworked. He is not having any problems turning 130+ miles per hour and
- > >keeping his ET's under 10 sec. However he does not use this machine daily
- > >on the street.
- >
- > I guess where my basic disagreement comes in is that lower gears is not always
- > the correct solution to a performance problem. Many years ago my '68 396
- > Chevelle was set up with 3.30 gears with a basic "torque" engine configuration.
- > (made all of it's power below 6,000 RPM)
- > Because my street tires were so short (245 60 R 14s - had ~24.5" diameter)
- > The car actually got slower in the quarter when I switched to 4.11 gears.
-
- Sounds to me like too much torque and not enough bite into the pavement.
-
- > Then I changed the engine configuration to a power setup with larger cam,
- > tunnel ram, two 660 Holleys, etc. The engine (I don't own it anymore :-(
- > now easily turns 7,500 RPM. For a "real" street car, who wants to drive
- > the speed limit at 4,000 RPM? I guess one of the things that should be
- > in the equation here is the tire diameter... it has an _incredible_
- > effect... Let's see, the equation goes something like:
- >
- > (MPH * Final Gear Ratio) / (.002974993 * tire diameter) = Engine RPM
- >
- > With this equation, assuming your friend has 29" slicks (typical)
- > he would be turning 8287.5 RPM at 130 mph. (no this does not take
- > into account the slicks "growing" or losses in the torque converter, etc)
- > That number is not unreasonable for a BBC...
-
- Actually there 30 inchers but thanks for the support. It seems like 45
- souls out there cannot believe that anything over a 4.11 is a performance
- axle. Guess there more interested in the salt flats than minimizing there
- ET's.
- >
-
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- Posted by: emory!picard.med.ge.com!bednarek (Dennis Bednarek Mfg 4-6971 ~BHOSVWZ#097)
-