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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Newsgroups: alt.feminism
- Subject: Re: Male Men Bashers
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.204950.17423@netcom.com>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 20:49:50 GMT
- References: <1934@emoryu1.cc.emory.edu> <93023.062549RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> <C1DE6p.7EC@news.cso.uiuc.edu>
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- In article <C1DE6p.7EC@news.cso.uiuc.edu> levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine) writes:
- ><RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
- >
- >> However, I disagree with the sarcasm because it is true that there are many
- >>many ways in which men are treated unjustly in this society. Anita Hill's
- >>concern with talk of pubic hair receives more attention than hundreds of
- >>thousands of men who are raped in US prisons every day.
- >
- >Should either issue *not* receive attention?
-
- Which have you heard more about? Which have you heard -anything- about
- (in them media)?
-
- >> There is a clear
- >>feeling behind this that men have to take the rough with the smooth and not
- >>think of their bodily integrity as something worth protecting, unless they
- >>want to be thought of as wimps. Also we take an under-representation of women
- >>in the congress as prima facie evidence of discrimination against women but we
- >>do not take the preponderance of men in prisons as prima facie evidence of
- >>discrimination against men. So there is a lot of sexism against men,
- >>practiced quite often by men against other men.
- >
- >True.
- >
- >> A second point is that there are many feminists who do in fact detest men.
- >
- >Not many on the net, or among my personal acquaintances.
- >
- >>Feminists who do not share these hostile feeelings still do refrain from
- >>denouncing this man-hatred.
- >
- >There are many denouncing this on the net, at least. (Check out a
- >discussion on this issue in rec.arts.sf.written; if anyone is interested
- >in the exact reference, please email me.)
- >
- >> My last point is however that there ARE indeed biological differences
- >>between men and women (of a statistical but very significant nature) and
- >>a plan for a good society that ignores these differnces is bound not to
- >>work and to create at least as many problems as it solves.
- >
- >Any plan that ignores individual *human* differences is bound not to
- >work.
-
- You mean like plans which -create- equality?
-
- >There's an ancient Greek legend of a bandit, Procrustes, who had
- >a bed to which he tied unwary travelers. If they were shorter than the
- >bed he stretched them on the rack, thus killing them -- and he took
- >their money. If they were taller than the bed, he cut their heads off --
- >and took their money. (History does not record what he did if they were
- >exactly right.)
- >
- >Well, if Procrustes had had *two* beds -- one for men, and one for women
- >-- would what he did have been any better?
-
- Procrustes could probably find a job in the local government.
-
- >Lenore Levine
-
-
- Rich
-
- payner@netcom.com
-