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- Path: sparky!uunet!microsoft!hexnut!jenk
- From: jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer)
- Subject: Re: Verbs and gender connotations
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.044638.23376@microsoft.com>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 04:46:38 GMT
- Organization: Microsoft Corporation
- References: <1jl21rINNlh1@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Jan22.084035.25495@microsoft.com> <1993Jan24.043603.6345@netcom.com>
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- In article <1993Jan24.043603.6345@netcom.com> payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan22.084035.25495@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
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- >> Because society deems it worse for a woman to fuck a man who's drunk
- >> than for a man to be fucked while he is himself drunk.
- >
- >Do you not mean NEW YORK, and so far, only New York?
-
- I can't parse the New York reference. I was, rather ad absurdium,
- pointing out that the impersonal pronoun "one" can be used in place
- of "man" or "woman"...or to indicate "person, who could be a man
- or a woman".
-
- Of course, "one" can also be used for inanimate objects, but in
- the context, I didn't think that's what Michal meant.
-
- Thus, my comment was more on syntax than semantics.
-
- >>I am also, btw, committed to the proposition that most of the cultural
- >>gender-role differences are CULTURAL and not innate. Men & women ain't
- >>all that different, folks. And, most importantly,
- >
- >This sound to me like you have closed your mind, and it would not
- >matter if tomorrow valid evidence were presented that there were innate
- >differences.
-
- Actually, Rich, I know there are differences. It just seems to me
- that when a woman (say, me) has demonstrated that she is capable
- of doing <X>, then stating that a woman "can't" do <X> is nonsense.
- And, when a man has demonstrated that he is capable of doing <Y>,
- then stating that a man "can't" do <Y> is also nonsense.
-
- >> how any individual acts is not necessarily dictated
- >> by their gender.
- >
- >Gender is a language construct, so I disagree. Or perhaps you are reffering
- >to their sex?
-
- One definition of gender is as a language construct, another is sex [at
- least in Webster's Ninth New Collegiate Dictionary].
-
- That said, why did I use "gender" instead of "sex"? Hmmm. Good question.
-
- -jen
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