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- From: levine@symcom.math.uiuc.edu (Lenore Levine)
- Subject: Re: Male Men Bashers
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- Organization: University of Illinois at Urbana
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:04:01 GMT
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- <RIPBC@CUNYVM.BITNET> writes:
-
- > However, I disagree with the sarcasm because it is true that there are many
- >many ways in which men are treated unjustly in this society. Anita Hill's
- >concern with talk of pubic hair receives more attention than hundreds of
- >thousands of men who are raped in US prisons every day.
-
- Should either issue *not* receive attention?
-
- > There is a clear
- >feeling behind this that men have to take the rough with the smooth and not
- >think of their bodily integrity as something worth protecting, unless they
- >want to be thought of as wimps. Also we take an under-representation of women
- >in the congress as prima facie evidence of discrimination against women but we
- >do not take the preponderance of men in prisons as prima facie evidence of
- >discrimination against men. So there is a lot of sexism against men,
- >practiced quite often by men against other men.
-
- True.
-
- > A second point is that there are many feminists who do in fact detest men.
-
- Not many on the net, or among my personal acquaintances.
-
- >Feminists who do not share these hostile feeelings still do refrain from
- >denouncing this man-hatred.
-
- There are many denouncing this on the net, at least. (Check out a
- discussion on this issue in rec.arts.sf.written; if anyone is interested
- in the exact reference, please email me.)
-
- > My last point is however that there ARE indeed biological differences
- >between men and women (of a statistical but very significant nature) and
- >a plan for a good society that ignores these differnces is bound not to
- >work and to create at least as many problems as it solves.
-
- Any plan that ignores individual *human* differences is bound not to
- work.
-
- There's an ancient Greek legend of a bandit, Procrustes, who had
- a bed to which he tied unwary travelers. If they were shorter than the
- bed he stretched them on the rack, thus killing them -- and he took
- their money. If they were taller than the bed, he cut their heads off --
- and took their money. (History does not record what he did if they were
- exactly right.)
-
- Well, if Procrustes had had *two* beds -- one for men, and one for women
- -- would what he did have been any better?
-
- Lenore Levine
-