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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Subject: Re: Verbs and gender connotations
- Message-ID: <1993Jan24.043603.6345@netcom.com>
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
- References: <3186@tymix.Tymnet.COM> <1jl21rINNlh1@gap.caltech.edu> <1993Jan22.084035.25495@microsoft.com>
- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 04:36:03 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan22.084035.25495@microsoft.com> jenk@microsoft.com (Jen Kilmer) writes:
- >(Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >>(Duane Hentrich) writes:
- >>
- >>>(Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >>>|>(Duane Hentrich) writes:
- >>>|> >(Michal Leah Peri) writes:
- >>>|> >|> Because society deems it worse to fuck someone who's drunk than to be
- >>>|> >|> fucked while one is oneself drunk.
- >>>|>
- >>>|> >The above statement seems to make grave implications about the subject and
- >>>|> >object of the verb 'to fuck'. I propose that the implications (man fucks,
- >>>|> >woman is fucked; man - active, woman - passive) are wrong. Either partner
- >>>|> >can be physically passive during coitus and thus conception is not
- >>>|> >predicated on men being active and women being passive, no matter the
- >>>|> >social norms.
- >
- >Of course. Where did Michal state that MEN fuck and WOMEN are fucked? As
- >I recall, Michal was answering a question which used the verb "to fuck",
- >and therfore used it in her reply.
- >
- >BTW, You seem to be saying that Michal said, "Because society deems
- >it worse for a man to fuck a woman who's drunk that for a woman to be
- >fucked while she is herself drunk". While that is *ONE* reading of what
- >she said, it is *ONLY* one. By choosing to use the pronoun "one", she said
- >that, AND she said
- >
- > Because society deems it worse for a woman to fuck a man who's drunk
- > than for a man to be fucked while he is himself drunk.
-
- Do you not mean NEW YORK, and so far, only New York?
-
- >AND
- >
- > Because society deems it worse for a woman to fuck a woman who's drunk
- > than for a woman to be fucked while she is herself drunk.
-
- Do you not mean NEW YORK, and so far, only New York? This might be harder
- to prove BTW, strap-ons do not leave seman behind.
-
- >AND
- >
- > Because society deems it worse for a man to fuck a man who's drunk
- > than for a man to be fucked while he is himself drunk.
-
- Same thing, society does not deem as you say. Some lawyers in a small
- part of the country have so deemed. This has not been tested yet in the
- upper courts either, as far as I am aware. If anyone knows different,
- please chime in.
-
- [...---...]
-
- >I am also, btw, committed to the proposition that most of the cultural
- >gender-role differences are CULTURAL and not innate. Men & women ain't
- >all that different, folks. And, most importantly,
-
- This sound to me like you have closed your mind, and it would not
- matter if tomorrow valid evidence were presented that there were innate
- differences.
-
- > how any individual acts is not necessarily dictated
- > by their gender.
-
- Gender is a language construct, so I disagree. Or perhaps you are reffering
- to their sex?
-
- [...---...]
-
- >-jen
-
-
- Rich
-
- payner@netcom.com
-
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-