NetNews Usenet Archive 1993 #3/NN_1993_3.iso/spool/alt/feminism/7540

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Newsgroups: alt.feminism
Path: sparky!uunet!mcsun!sunic!aun.uninett.no!news.uit.no!stud.cs.uit.no!roarf
From: [e-mail] (Just this guy)
Subject: Re: Feminist=Equality? Errrr.... Nope.
References: <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]> <[e-mail]>
Sender: [e-mail] (Roar Foshaug)
Organization: University of Tromsoe, Norway
Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 17:00:52 GMT
Message-ID: <[e-mail]>
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In article <[e-mail]>, [e-mail] (beth diane garfinkel) writes:
|> In <[e-mail]> [e-mail] (Mr J S Graley) writes:
|>
|> >I am concerned by how lightly women take the subject of false rape accusations,
|> >when they would obviously gain from there being fewer. So I wanted to see
|> >if you would clearly and unambiguously say that there is a real need to
|> >avoid false accusations. You have not done so. You have failed to break
|> >my stereotypical view of women as people who simply want the license to lock
|> >up men whenever it suits them.
|>
|> Well, perhaps some of the women on this net have a view of
|> people, not just men, and by extension the legal system, as failing to take
|> women seriously, not so much a stereotypical view as one based on their own
|> experience.  I must say, by making a fuss about false accusations, you're not
|> helping matters any.
|>
|> Think: imagine you were going to accuse a man you knew of raping you.  Imagine
|> further that there is some disparity between the two of you, social position,
|> previous criminal records, or any other blight upon you or credit to him
|> that would make a judge and/or jury more likely to believe his version
|> of events than yours. Would you take the man to court under those
|> circumstances for anything less than the truth? The unhappy fact is that
|> to most of the world, men are seen almost universally as more credible
|> than women by the world at large.  Damn right we're not so het up about
|> false accusations; we want to be listened to when we make TRUE
|> accusations!!!!!!!  Grrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrr!!!


Grrrrr!!! back to you, beth. In this I agree with Mr Graley. It's ok to
say that women feel they're not being taken seriously, but doesn't
being taken seriously include responsibilities? You don't take
kids seriously until they're old enough to understand and take
resposibilities. In this case (without further comparison with children :-)
that means women should be at least _concerned_ about there being
made false accusations. Instead you try to hide this :

   "... by making a fuss about false accusations, you're not helping
    matters any".

What kind of statement is that?

Don't you realize what a powerful weapon any woman has against any man
if she is cruel enough? I sure don't think most people are that cruel,
but we all seem to agree there exists cruel men around, so then why should
no cruel women exist?



|>
|>                                 Beth
|> --
|> ". . . but if the will to walk is there, He is pleased with their
|> stumbles."            --C.S. Lewis, _The Screwtape Letters_

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Roar Foshaug                                      ([e-mail])
Department of Computer Science
University of Tromsoe, IMR                        'oe' is '\o{}' in Tex
N-9037 TROMSOE, NORWAY                            'OE' is '\O{}' in Tex