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- From: aiden@NCoast.ORG (Steven Otlowski)
- Subject: Re: Dorwinion (sp?)
- Organization: North Coast Public Access *NIX, Cleveland, OH
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 07:59:30 GMT
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- In article <27JAN93.16823129.0073@UNBVM1.CSD.UNB.CA> S2A0000 <S2A0@UNB.CA> writes:
- > I seem to remember in The Hobbit that the wood elves were drinking wine
- >from "the gardens of Dorwinion (sp?). I haven't seen any other mention
- >of Dorwinion nor can I find it on any of the maps.
- >
- > Can anybody tell me where Dorwinion is located and what sort of people
- >live there? (The name sounds elvish to me.)
- >
-
- I don't think much is known. The Atlas of Middle Earth places Dorwinion
- at the Western end of the Sea of Rhun in teh far east of Middle Earth.
- One might suppose that wine came upriver from Dorwinion via the
- River Running (Celduin) to Esgaroth (Lake Town).
- From thense up the river into Mirkwood. (Perhaps in the barrels
- the Bilbo and Co. rode downriver.?)
-
- From the location in the East of Middle Earth, I tend to think it
- was a human habitation. It might have an elvish name though. Many
- things did even if they were not the homes of elves. (ie Esgaroth/Lake Town)
-
- "Dor" is the Quenya for "land"
- "win" appears to relate to Quenya: winya / vinya - evening
- with additional relations to Q: vinde - blue-grey
- according to the etymologies in "The Lost Road" Lost Tales V
-
- Dorwinion would then be the "land of evening"
- This might relate to its position in the East much of which lands
- had fallen under the shadow of Mordor.
- Or perhaps to blue-grey mists off of the Sea of Rhun.
- Who knows.
-
- The Atlas of Middle Earth translates it rather simple-mindedly
- and I think incorrectly as the Land of Wines. :-(
- Not a very imaginative appelation. And not supported by extant
- elvish vocabulary.
-
- Hope this helps.
-
- Steve Otlowski-
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