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- From: djweisbe@unix.amherst.edu (David Weisberger)
- Subject: Re: Hobbits in the Undying Lands
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 02:57:48 GMT
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- chesky@stanmusial.austin.ibm.com wrote:
- : >>But this raises a problem for me. At the end of LOTR, Frodo and Bilbo
- : >>take the last ship to the Undying Lands. Later, the appendices tell us,
- : >>Sam took a ship west to join them.
- : >>
- : I thought the exception was made for Bilbo, Frodo and Sam because they
- : had been ring bearers (I don't know about Gimli).
- :
- : Of course, we all know that as long as one possesses the Ring one will
- : not age and die like a mere mortal, but what about after you lose or give
- : up the Ring? Are you still "immortal"? Gollum is good evidence that maybe
- : this is the case. He was what, 400...500 years old or something like
- : that at the time of LotR. And he had been living something like 60 or 70
- : years after losing the Ring. And he wasn't even senile, like Bilbo. And
- : Bilbo, too lived for 20 years or so after giving the Ring to Frodo (of
- : course his age wasn't totally out of the realm of possibility for Hobbits --
- : just food for thought).
- :
- : IDHMBWMRN (I don't have my books with me right now), but I know this is
- : talked about in LotR somewhere; I think in the "Shadow of the Past" chapter
- : in FotR.
- :
- I don't think Gandalf or even Saruman knew exactly what the One Ring
- would do to its bearer. Isildur and Gollum died of unnatural causes,
- so the texts are not much help. But I suspect that, since the Ring
- was cast into Mt. Doom, Bilbo, Frodo, and Sam would all remain mortal.
- The ring lent power to its bearer and influenced the wills of its
- former bearers, but I don't believe its power outlasted its existence.
-
-
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- Davebo "Don't believe I'm taken in by stories I have heard.
- I just read the Daily News and swear by every word."
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