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- From: gds@FICUS.CS.UCLA.EDU (Daeron the Minstrel)
- Newsgroups: alt.fan.tolkien
- Subject: Re: Hobbits in the Undying Lands
- Message-ID: <9301252152.AA02449@york.cs.ucla.edu>
- Date: 25 Jan 93 21:52:10 GMT
- References: <1k0sthINNpj4@digex.digex.com> <1993Jan25.202454.20380@netcom.com>
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- In article <1993Jan25.202454.20380@netcom.com> Andrew Solovay wrote:
- >In article <1k0sthINNpj4@digex.digex.com> dzik@access.digex.com (Joseph Dzikiewicz) writes:
- >>But this raises a problem for me. At the end of LOTR, Frodo and Bilbo
- >>take the last ship to the Undying Lands. Later, the appendices tell us,
- >>Sam took a ship west to join them.
- >>But if Hobbits are racially derived from men, isn't this a problem?
- >>Aren't men strictly forbidden from going to the Undying Lands?
-
- Men were forbidden to go to the Undying Lands (that includes Eressea),
- otherwise it would not have been a problem for the Numenoreans to sail
- there. The most far-sighted of them could see it from time to time,
- on a clear day, from the Meneltarma or from a tall ship sailing west
- of Numenor.
-
- >As a general rule, yes. This seems to be an exception. But we have no
- >indication that Bilbo and Frodo went to Valinor proper; my reading is
- >that they went to Tol Eressea (aka "Elvenhome"), an island near
- >Valinor. This may count as a "suburb" of the Undying Lands, and the
- >restriction may be less rigorous.
-
- Men are permitted to go to the Undying Lands by the Valar's grace.
-
- --gregbo
-