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- From: schere@aix.rpi.edu (Mithrandir)
- Subject: Re: Alatar and Pallando
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- References: <#wg3#g#@rpi.edu> <1993Jan22.192020.4098@leland.Stanford.EDU>
- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 13:17:45 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan22.192020.4098@leland.Stanford.EDU> alderson@cisco.com (Rich Alderson) writes:
- >In article <#wg3#g#@rpi.edu>, schere@aix (Mithrandir) writes:
- >>Sparked by the sudden interest in the two Ithryn Luin, I did a little digging.
- >>The two Wizards were named Alatar and Pallando. When the Maiar were asked
- >>who would go to Middle Earth to battle Sauron with a considerable handicap
- >>(weaknesses of the flesh), only two came forward. Curumo (Saruman) sent
- >>by Aule and Alatar who was sent by Orome. Manwe wanted to send
- >>Olorin but Olorin was not at the council. He slunk in late and sat at the
- >>back, but Manwe called him forward and bade him go. Yavanna begged (!)
- >>Curumo to take Aiwendil (Radagast) and Alatar took Pallando as a friend.
- >
- >Source citation would be good.
-
- Sorry. J.R.R. Tolkien, Unfinished Tales, pg. 410.
-
-
- >
- >>I guess Saruman always disliked Radagast.
- >>
- >>A few comments: Alatar can be translated as The Radiant. Pallando is
- >>less clear, palan- is a Sindar root meaning far away or broad. The fact that
- >>Alatar took Pallando as a friend could mean they were some how a couple, as
- >>a previous post had suggested. This could be the first Maia-Maia romance
- >>we've heard of, eh?
- >>
- >>'The Radiant' is more likely a female name. If so, it is interesting that
- > ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
- >>'she' was chosen by Orome. Interesting that the female is discussed
- >>more and seems more important. Against the 'Eowyn' discussion that was
- >>flying around for a while.
- >
- >Why?
-
- Well, just my first instinct... Galadriel is a female.
-
- >--
- >Rich Alderson 'I wish life was not so short,' he thought. 'Languages take
- > such a time, and so do all the things one wants to know about.'
- > --J. R. R. Tolkien,
- >alderson@leland.stanford.edu _The Lost Road_
-
- Sorry about the source confusion.
- Mithrandir
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- Many are my names in many countries. Mithrandir among the Elves, Tharkun to
- the Dwarves; Olorin I was in my youth in the West that is forgotten, in the
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