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- From: waynebro@juliet.caltech.edu (Broughton, Wayne Jeremy)
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- Subject: Re: Power of races
- Date: 21 Jan 1993 23:44 PST
- Organization: California Institute of Technology
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- In article <C17u11.1r9@cck.coventry.ac.uk>, mjw@cck.coventry.ac.uk (Alien) writes...
- >Someone was wondering whether Frodo and Aragorn knew that Gandalf was a
- >Maia. Well doesn't it say somewhere in LOTR that Frodo pauses and asks
- >himself "What *was* Gandalf?" so at least at that point he did not know.
- >
- I don't remember where that is, though it does sound vaguely familiar. A
- similar passage I can recall is in Minas Tirith when Pippin asks himself
- "How old *is* Gandalf?", and realizing that G. seemed to be ageless. He
- might also have asked himself the same question as Frodo did above on that
- occasion, but I don't remember.
-
- >Also Saruman doesn't seem to remember the power of the "west" (Valinor)-
- > he says "The West has failed" ,he no longer considers it 'real' being
- > absorbed in mundane, 'middle-earthly' concerns.
- >
- I don't know if he really considered it to no longer be real; I think
- he simply meant that the West had been unable to stop Sauron and had
- become indifferent or irrelevant to Middle-Earth. What was the context
- in which he said this?
-
- > Matt.
- >
-
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