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- From: jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey)
- Subject: Re: Language Origins
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.160823.21001@leland.Stanford.EDU>
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- Organization: DSG, Stanford University, CA 94305, USA
- References: <C13pyt.MyF@panix.com> <1993Jan20.004852.18996@leland.Stanford.EDU> <1993Jan21.113334.1048@odin.diku.dk>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 93 16:08:23 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan21.113334.1048@odin.diku.dk> klaus@diku.dk (Klaus Ole Kristiansen) writes:
- >jchokey@leland.Stanford.EDU (James Alexander Chokey) writes:
- >
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- >> I'm not a linguist, so there may be no basis at all to what I say here,
- >>but I think there are reasons to suspect that Tolkien partially derived
- >>Dwarven language from Hebrew. I'm thinking particularly the "Ben-Adar" part
- >>of the Dwarves name for Tom Bombadil
- >
- >Khuzdul is semitic in structure. The consonant-combination kh-z-d means
- >dwarf. Words such as dwarf (khazad) and dwarven (khuzdul) are made by adding
- >wovels (and the occasional consonant). Semitic languages work in that way
- >too.
- >
- >But Iarwain ben-adar is Sindarin, not Khuzdul. It means oldest and
- >fatherless. Since adar "father" is well known from other bits of
- >Sindarin, ben must mean without.
- >
-
- OOPS! Thanks for pointing this out-- boy, do I feel like a bonehead!
- The Dwarves name for Bombadil was "Forn."
-
- -- Jim C. <jchokey@leland.stanford.edu>
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