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- From: egl1@cunixf.cc.columbia.edu (Elizabeth G. Levy)
- Subject: Re: DC Myth # 302 : A tax increase will lower the deficit
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.181436.22433@news.columbia.edu>
- Keywords: taxes, deficit, lower
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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 18:14:36 GMT
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- In article <C1JuCC.Csy@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
- >thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
- >>In article <C1JI84.7Cu@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
- >>> Why do people inside the beltway still believe a tax increase will lower
- >>>the deficit? The following numbers would dispute this:
- >>>
- >>> Year Federal Taxes per person
- >>>
- >>> 1983 $2,490
- >>>
- >>> 1993 $4,438 ( projected )
- >>>
- >>>( from a Tax Foundation report , Sept 1992 )
- >>>
- >>> Of course, while the tax burden nearly doubled, the deficit spireled
- >>>through the roof.
- >
- >>Gee, you didn't happen to mention that inflation nearly doubled also in the
- >>same time period, did you? Naaaah.
- >
- >Do you have inflation numbers ( I don't, and that's why I didn't post them)?
- >If you actually have some, then maybe we can make a comparision.
- >
-
- Arguably, one should be aware of such a criticism and have the
- inflation numbers handy in case of challenges. In any case:
-
- From _The World Almanac 1993_:
-
- With 1982-1984 as a base, CPI for June 1992 is 140.2. The exact
- numbers are:
-
- 1983 3.2
- 1984 4.3
- 1985 3.6
- 1986 1.9
- 1987 3.6
- 1988 4.1
- 1989 4.8
- 1990 5.4
- 1991 4.2
-
- In any case, about half your tax increases are accounted for by
- inflation.
-
- I'm also curious how your tax figures are computed. I recall a NYT
- article on our tax burden a month or two ago that noted our tax
- burden, as a percentage of population, hasn't really changed since
- 1981 or so. The distribution has, regressively.
-
- Punching some numbers from the Almanac into my calculator, (namely,
- Distribution of Total Personal Income, on page 136), I get, for
- "personal taxes" divided by a population estimate:
-
- Year Pop Tax Revenue Tax/Pop
- (millions) (billions)
-
- 1991 250 616.1 2464.4
-
- 1983 230 410.5 1784.8
-
- These are in nominal terms, so the tax increase is approximately
- accounted for by inflation. What were the components of "Federal
- Taxes per Person"?
-
- >>>[ no need to flame Reagan/Bush, they tried to decrease
- >>>spending, but Congress wouldn't do it ]
- >
- >>Why do you pose such a canard? Bush asked for *more* spending than
- >>Congress actually approved on *every* *single* *budget*.
- >
- > You know that the presidential budget is a wish list! Besides, when
- >it came to crunch time Reagan made a deal with congress that tax increases
- >would be accompanied by spending cuts so as to keep the deficit down.
- >Obviously only the tax increases survived!
-
- Well, Congress is to blame, just as much as the GOP administrations.
- Congress has followed the Reagan/Bush budget proposals in general, and
- have even returned budgets with smaller deficits at least half the
- time. If you want a balanced budget, get the President to propose one.
-
- Also, look in David Stockman's _The Triumph of Politics_. Stockman
- was Reagan's first OMB chief, and he blanched at the numbers the
- Administration gave him to work with. Big deficits because Reagan's
- people insisted on massive defense expenditures without either cutting
- spending elsewhere or raising taxes.
-
-
- --
- Who's "the loneliest monk?"
-