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- From: kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy)
- Subject: Re: control
- Message-ID: <1993Jan28.010101.11161@rotag.mi.org>
- Organization: Who, me???
- References: <1993Jan23.223618.15219@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1993Jan25.014049.27662@rotag.mi.org> <1993Jan27.045959.10247@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 01:01:01 GMT
- Lines: 102
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- In article <1993Jan27.045959.10247@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
- >In article <1993Jan25.014049.27662@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >>In article <1993Jan23.223618.15219@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
- >>>In article <1993Jan23.210053.38071@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
- >>>>
- >>>>Now I've got one for you. A man is walking through Central Park, minding
- >>>>his own business, when someone shoots him with a dart gun, administering
- >>>>a hypnotic drug, and orders him to go out and rape the next woman that
- >>>>he sees.
- >>>>
- >>>>Is the man "innocent" or "guilty"?
- >>>>
- >>>He's guilty, if he commits the act of rape.
- >>
- >>*WRONG*. All crimes require a criminal intent, or _mens rea_. The man
- >>under hypnosis has none. He acts merely as an instrument of the evil
- >>hypnotizer.
- >>
- >Kebbin, if you'll *read* what I wrote, you might notice that I said
- >*act* of rape, not crime.
-
- You said "he's guilty". Since, as you have tried to impress on me wrt
- "schizophrenic", we MUST use the correct jargon, even in a general forum, your
- use of "guilty" -- a legal term -- is INCORRECT.
-
- >Idiot.
-
- Is that a professional diagnosis, Mr. Medicine Man?
-
- >>>He may get off on the
- >>>legal aspect if he can prove he was not in control of his mind, but
- >>>he's still guilty of the act.
- >>
- >>"Guilty" of the act (which means nothing), but _not_ guilty of the *crime*.
- >>
- >No shit Kibble. Maybe that's why I said ACT of rape, not crime.
-
- "Rape" is a technical term in the field of law, which denotes a crime. Since,
- as you have tried to impress on me wrt "schizophrenic", we MUST use the
- correct jargon, even in a general forum, your use of "rape" -- a legal term --
- for the act described is INCORRECT.
-
- >>>My understanding is that 'not guilty by
- >>>reason of insanity' is the same as 'guilty, but not really his
- >>>fault'.
- >>
- >>No, they're not the same. There is a verdict of "guilty but insane". But
- >>that's different. That just affects sentencing, not the question of
- >>guilt or innocence.
- >>
- >>Besides, Mr. Medicine Man, being temporarily under hypnotic suggestion isn't
- >>technically the same as being "insane", is it? Is "insane" even a proper
- >>medical term?
- >>
- >It may not be technically the same,
-
- Since, as you have tried to impress on me wrt "schizophrenic", we MUST
- use the correct jargon, even in a general forum, your use of "insane" --
- a legal term -- is INCORRECT.
-
- >And Kibble, I wasn't *talking* about a medical diagnosis,
- >was I? I was talking about a verdict in a court case.
-
- And "I wasn't *talking* about a medical diagnosis" [sic] when I suggested that
- Larry was "schizophrenic", either -- I was just describing his behavior in a
- vaguely insulting way. But that didn't stop you from strutting around
- insisting that everyone should speak medical jargon, did it, Mark...?
-
- >>>>Does the woman have the right to kill him if necessary to prevent her
- >>>>body from being violated?
- >>>
- >>>Yup, sure does, as far as I'm concerned.
- >>
- >>If she has the legal right to kill in self-defense (which has not been
- >>demonstrated to my satisfaction to be the case in ANY state of the Union),
- >>the evil hypnotizer is guilty of felony murder as well as rape, since he
- >>caused the whole situation. In fact, depending on how the statute was
- >>written, the evil hypnotizer might even be guilty of TWO counts of criminal
- >>sexual assault as well as the felony murder (since he forced the dart-victim
- >>into a sexual encounter without HIS consent as well). In any case, I don't
- >>think he'll be getting out of prison anytime soon... :-|
- >>
- >Does this mean you've finally found a state in which it is *not* legal
- >to kill a rapist to halt the rape?
-
- No, it just means that Larry's "evidence" doesn't meet my standards. IMO, he
- has failed to meet his burden of proof.
-
- >Besides Kebbin, you might notice up there that I said 'as far as I'm
- >concerned'. Did I meantion law? Did I say she had a legal right? No, I
- >didn't.
-
- Since, as you have tried to impress on me wrt "schizophrenic", we MUST
- use the correct jargon, even in a general forum, your use of "right" --
- a legal term -- is INCORRECT.
-
- - Kevin
-
- "I'm only really good at judging colored semen contests, anyway."
- Susan Garvin, sgast+@pitt.edu
- 30 Dec 92 22:07:01 GMT
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