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- From: kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm)
- Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.politics.misc
- Subject: Re: The hidden costs of Environmentalism : A case study
- Keywords: r-12, cars, big bucks
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- Date: 27 Jan 93 18:33:54 GMT
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- thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank) writes:
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- >In article <C1Hs2M.3DH@news.cso.uiuc.edu> kkopp@uxh.cso.uiuc.edu (koppenhoefer kyle cramm) writes:
- >> He was correct, because we tried in vain to buy freon anywhere in town. He
- >>was finally told that the only place to go was a garage where they have the
- >>new EPA approved delivary systems for R-12. The cost for a garage to do this
- >>$6 job is now $110. That is a 1733% increase in cost, and it is another
- >>example of the price we will pay for our environment.
-
- >Except it was never a $6 job. It was $6 for the can, and $200+ for the
- >environmental damage. Just because you didn't have to directly pay for the
- >damage you did to the environment by wasting away the ozone, doesn't
- >mean that it was less "costly" before the regulations.
-
- So, where did you get the $200+ figure from? I agree that R-12 is _probably_
- bad for the earth. To what extentent is unknown, and how people changing
- their own air conditioner coolent figures into the equation is completely
- unknown. Sorry, I don't buy your figures.
-
-
- >> I am not against protecting the environment, but should we have to pay
- >>this type of cost? Why didn't someone figure out a way to lower the cost
- >>before they implemented the regulations?
-
- >Hey, you can pay the cost either in regulating freon usage so it doesn't
- >leak and kill the ozone, or you can pay the cost with the extra risk of
- >cancer to the next ten thousand generations. Your call.
-
-
- What I am concerned about is a knee-jerk responce by the EPA. Why did
- they go with this outright ban? Whatever happened to phasing something out?
- They did the phase out with leaded gas, and it worked well. Do you honestly
- believe that freon causes such a clear and present danger as to call for the
- immediate regulation? I think not. This is another example of a government
- which is legislation happy. They are drunk on their power, and wield it withou
- much regard for consequences. A phasing out process over 5 years would have
- allowed people, and technology to catch up. Of course governmental types don't
- think about the general populus.
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