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- From: regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne Regard)
- Newsgroups: alt.fan.rush-limbaugh,talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: control
- Date: 26 Jan 1993 07:48:56 -0800
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- In article <lm97joINNh5r@ar-rimal.cs.utexas.edu> brinkley@cs.utexas.edu (Paul Brinkley) writes:
- >More exchange between Adrienne and myself. I'm even ">"s; she's odd...
- >>We don't have that whiz bang technology yet that will render this argument
- >>moot. So what do *you* propose we do? I propose that we let individuals
- >>settle the matter individually, according to their own consciences.
- >
- >I simply cannot agree until you (or someone else) can convince me that the
- >life of the unborn child will not be directly threatened, or that the life
- >of the mother will be threatened more, or that the unborn child isn't alive
- >at all, or any other circumstance that would render the pro-life case moot.
-
- So, regardless of the needs of the woman, of the rights of the woman, of the
- desires of the woman, she *MUST* gestate that fetus, because you say so.
-
- Tell you something, Paul, it is this root belief, unshakable as it appears
- to be, that will get you branded as a mysogynist on this net. Now, maybe
- you don't much care about that -- after all, it's only a net.
-
- But to those of us who are women, who do face the possibility of being dis-
- counted as human beings because we own wombs, it gets to be a pretty important
- point of view. You would turn me into a lesser animal on this planet, because
- I own a womb.
-
- REGARDLESS of how responsible I am.
-
- REGARDLESS of how productive I am.
-
- REGARDLESS of how brilliant, important or useful I am.
-
- I become nothing more, and have no more importance to you in this world than
- a cow.
-
- Because *you* value the fetus.
-
- Now, I can understand how women everywhere are going to have a problem with
- that.
-
- It's also basically inconsistant on the face of it.
- There isn't any OTHER being on this planet that gets to use my body against
- my will, but you would grant that right to a fetus. Which we have argued
- up and down about here, since it's 'personhood' and 'rights' are definitely
- not settled things. So, for this we-don't-quite-know-what, you propose to
- abridge my rights -- given to me because I'm an UNDISPUTED person, and a
- citizen of this country.
-
- There isn't a single other human being who gets to use my body against my will,
- but you figure it makes sense to make an exception -- SEIZING my rights against
- my will, and over my protest -- in the case of a fetus.
-
- I think that's nonsense.
-
- I think, if *you* value that fetus so damned highly that you would FORCE women
- through the law to surrender their HUMAN RIGHTS, then *you* are going to have
- to put a lot more behind it than "I believe". I'd like to see your bankbook,
- to see how much money you are willing to back up your beliefs with. You would
- INSIST (presuming your statement above correlates to a legal restriction on
- abortion) that women pay with their physical selves. How far are *you* going
- to go in standing up for your beliefs, bub?
-
- >If no lives are at stake, I would be very willing to leave this matter to
- >the individual.
-
-
- Well, that's another topic for debate, ain't it? You'll find it coming around
- about every two weeks.
-
- Now, before you jump into that one with both feet, ask yourself if ANYBODY
- EVER gets to use my body without my consent.
-
- The answer, Paul, is "no".
-
- Adrienne Regard
-
-