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- From: J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM
- Subject: Re: GayBashing question
- Message-ID: <93025.28907.J056600@LMSC5.IS.LMSC.LOCKHEED.COM>
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- Organization: Lockheed Missiles & Space Company, Inc.
- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 93 08:01:47 PST
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- In <1993Jan24.114201.1411@cltr.uq.OZ.AU>, Yvette Lian writes:
-
- >In article <C0yHH3.5JD@news.cso.uiuc.edu> vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu () writes:
- >>Let me put this another way. When are you liberals gonna start screaming
- >>about all the "White Bashing" that goes on every day? NEVER. Because
- >>you believe white heterosexual men are the source of all evil and deserve
- >>whatever we get. I would wager that more white hetero men are victims of
- >>hate murders than gays, although I can't substantiate this.
- >>
- >>When I hear the ACLU standing up screaming at "White Bashers" I will
- >>then accede to the term "Gay Bashing" (which is stupid in the first place
- >>since it should be called murder or attempted murder).
- >>
- >>Liberals love to label things to give them special status over non PC
- >>issues. White men get jack sh*t from you guys when we are victims of
- >>discrimination in job quotas, hate murders, etc.
-
- >Hey, when you get someone beating you around and calling you "fuckern lezzo
- >bitch" (this hasn't happened to me - I'm recalling a friend's experience),
- >talk to me.
- >When you get pack-raped by a bunch of ignorant guys because it will "teach
- >ya what a real man can do", talk to me.
- >When you get your guts kicked in and bashed to within an inch of your life,
- >simply because you're gay, talk to me.
-
- You give three examples, to which I will respond:
-
- * "Lezzo bitch" bashing: Assault and battery. If it's a serious beating, it's
- attempted murder. That's good for 20 years or so--regardless of motive.
-
- * Pack-rape example. Rape is rape. All rapes are "hate crimes" (Gawd, I hate
- that term) anyway. Each guilty party gets 10 to 20 years in the coop.
-
- * Beaten within an inch of your life just because you are gay? Again, it's
- attempted murder. And again, it's good for 20 years in the pokey.
-
- Now, these charges *do* address the seriousness of the crime. If the sentences
- given aren't this long (they usually aren't), then the problem we have is the
- judicial system not giving out punishment for existing crimes. Creating a new
- class of crimes isn't necessary; properly and equally enforcing the existing
- ones is.
-
- >Meanwhile, don't start spouting about "us liberals". In case you hadn't
- >noticed, people are getting killed, for no other reason than who they are.
- >Not because they have money. Not because the killer knows and hates them
- >(not that either of these are good reasons). Simply because the victim was
- >SEEN TO BE gay by the perpetrator. (Their sexual preference here really is
- >irrelevant - the basher only has to think they're gay to initiate the
- >bashing.)
-
- People are getting killed just because people want their cars or because
- they want the contents of their wallet. These are all evil motivations, but
- what is so damned special about belonging to a "victim class?"
-
- >If someone walked up to you and kicked the shit out of you because you're a
- >white straight male, you might speak differently about this. You might
- >even say something along the lines of "they have no right to hurt me in
- >this way - they beat me up because I'm a straight white male.. I didn't do
- >anything wrong".
-
- >And you'd be right - they beat you up because they hated what you are...
- >not who you are.
-
- And I'd also be right to believe that it's still irrelevant. What IS relevant
- is that they're prosecuted to the fullest extent of the law for the real crimes
- they did commit (rape, murder, assault, and so on).
-
- >Question - how many times have you heard of a white person being beaten up
- >while having something along the lines of "you fuckern white person, I hate
- >all whiteys" yelled at them?
-
- Yeah, sure. I guess Reginald Denny got what he deserved, right?
-
- I guess I really didn't hear Sister Souljah advocate the killing of whites?
-
- I'm patiently waiting for your answer.
-
-
- Tim Irvin
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