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- From: vengeanc@uxa.cso.uiuc.edu ()
- Subject: Re: control
- References: <C1AB5y.MMG@news.cso.uiuc.edu> <1993Jan23.171710.5078@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> <1993Jan23.210053.38071@watson.ibm.com> <1993Jan23.223618.15219@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 01:00:01 GMT
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- mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
-
- >In article <1993Jan23.210053.38071@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
- >>[Note: Simmonds' post hasn't yet shown up here, but since I've seen not only
- >>Mark's response, but a followup to Mark from Simmonds that ended with:
- >> still waiting for Mr. Margolis to answer
- >>I'm going to reply to Mark's post and assume nothing (significant) was deleted
- >>by Mark.]
- >>
- >Larry, Larry, Larry...
- >Read his stuff some more. I could have deleted the entire message
- >without deleting anything 'significant'...
-
- >>I agree with Mark that the scenario is nonsensical. In addition, the
- >>following is incorrect:
- >>>>knocked out (read: is no longer sentient)
- >>
- >>since "sentient" refers to *capability*. A person retains their
- >>capacity for thought when unconscious, even though they may not
- >>be exercising that capability at the moment; contrast this with
- >>an embryo which lacks the capability.
- >>
- >>*Has* he violated anyone's rights? Not intentionally or consciously
- >>(again, different from a non-sentient fetus or embryo, which *can't*
- >>intentionally or consciously do *anything*). *Is* he violating anyone's
- >>rights? Yes - he's violating the woman's right to bodily autonomy.
- >>
- >>Now I've got one for you. A man is walking through Central Park, minding
- >>his own business, when someone shoots him with a dart gun, administering
- >>a hypnotic drug, and orders him to go out and rape the next woman that
- >>he sees.
- >>
- >>Is the man "innocent" or "guilty"?
- >>
- >He's guilty, if he commits the act of rape. He may get off on the
- >legal aspect if he can prove he was not in control of his mind, but
- >he's still guilty of the act. My understanding is that 'not guilty by
- >reason of insanity' is the same as 'guilty, but not really his
- >fault'.
-
- >>Does the woman have the right to kill him if necessary to prevent her
- >>body from being violated?
-
- >Yup, sure does, as far as I'm concerned. But Eddie doesn't care about
- >women, his only concern is the fetus. He's said so, and given us no
- >reason to believe that he was anything less then 100% serious.
-
- If you could read you would note that I said that saving the unborn
- is my PRIMARY concern, not only concern. Ever considered using
- "Hooked on Phonics"? I would strongly suggest it.
-
-
- >--
- > Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
- >These are the views of my employer, your employer, your government, the
- >Church of your choice, and the Ghost of Elvis. So there.
- >Member, T.S.A.K.C.
-
-
- Edward Simmonds- standard disclaimers, wondering why Mr. Cochran felt
- like his input was desired in the conversation in
- the first place.
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