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- From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
- Subject: Re: control
- Message-ID: <1993Jan23.223618.15219@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 93 22:36:18 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan23.210053.38071@watson.ibm.com> margoli@watson.IBM.com writes:
- >[Note: Simmonds' post hasn't yet shown up here, but since I've seen not only
- >Mark's response, but a followup to Mark from Simmonds that ended with:
- > still waiting for Mr. Margolis to answer
- >I'm going to reply to Mark's post and assume nothing (significant) was deleted
- >by Mark.]
- >
- Larry, Larry, Larry...
- Read his stuff some more. I could have deleted the entire message
- without deleting anything 'significant'...
-
- >I agree with Mark that the scenario is nonsensical. In addition, the
- >following is incorrect:
- >>>knocked out (read: is no longer sentient)
- >
- >since "sentient" refers to *capability*. A person retains their
- >capacity for thought when unconscious, even though they may not
- >be exercising that capability at the moment; contrast this with
- >an embryo which lacks the capability.
- >
- >*Has* he violated anyone's rights? Not intentionally or consciously
- >(again, different from a non-sentient fetus or embryo, which *can't*
- >intentionally or consciously do *anything*). *Is* he violating anyone's
- >rights? Yes - he's violating the woman's right to bodily autonomy.
- >
- >Now I've got one for you. A man is walking through Central Park, minding
- >his own business, when someone shoots him with a dart gun, administering
- >a hypnotic drug, and orders him to go out and rape the next woman that
- >he sees.
- >
- >Is the man "innocent" or "guilty"?
- >
- He's guilty, if he commits the act of rape. He may get off on the
- legal aspect if he can prove he was not in control of his mind, but
- he's still guilty of the act. My understanding is that 'not guilty by
- reason of insanity' is the same as 'guilty, but not really his
- fault'.
-
- >Does the woman have the right to kill him if necessary to prevent her
- >body from being violated?
-
- Yup, sure does, as far as I'm concerned. But Eddie doesn't care about
- women, his only concern is the fetus. He's said so, and given us no
- reason to believe that he was anything less then 100% serious.
-
- --
- Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
- These are the views of my employer, your employer, your government, the
- Church of your choice, and the Ghost of Elvis. So there.
- Member, T.S.A.K.C.
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