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- Subject: Re: Lifestyle Choices and Secular Reasoning
- Date: 21 Jan 93 17:59:54
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- In-reply-to: tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu's message of 14 Jan 93 22:41:34 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan14.224134.7057@organpipe.uug.arizona.edu> tip@lead.aichem.arizona.edu (Tom Perigrin) writes:
- In article <1993Jan14.153407.20483@asl.dl.nec.com> dillhoff@aslws01.asl.dl.nec.com (Doug Dillhoff) writes:
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- >A religion does not need a supernatural being, churches or TV.
- >By definition, a religion is an organized system of beliefs.
-
- Websters 7'th does contain that definition. It is last, and is
- included in the archaic definitions, and even then it says that it is
- a system of beliefs held to with ardor and faith.
-
- So now you have to look up faith, and once again, we find that the
- final archaic definition allows for an exclusion of God, but it
- does say "something which is believed esp. with strong conviction; esp
- a system of religious beliefs."
-
- Okay, you can make that point if you first of all want to use all of the
- archaic definitions in the dictionary, and secondly, if you can prove
- that secular humanists hold to their beliefs through faith instead of
- through logic...
-
- Does anyone *not* have a religion?
-
- Does anyone *not* have a philosophy?
-
- What is the difference between the lack of a religion and the lack of
- a philosophy?
-
- Can any given philosophy be reformulated by its opponents as a
- religion?
-
- If so, does the establishment clause mean that the government cannot
- act on the basis of a philosophy?
-
- Inquiring minds, etc.
-
- -- JC
-