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- From: kkruse@matt.ksu.ksu.edu (Korey J. Kruse)
- Newsgroups: alt.drugs
- Subject: Re: Narcotics Anonymous = a cult?
- Date: 22 Jan 1993 04:26:51 -0600
- Organization: Kansas State University
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- bierbach@guvax.acc.georgetown.edu writes:
-
- > Has anyone else with any experience with NA ever had the same
- >suspicions about it that I seem to have?
-
- I don't know about NA, but I do know a lot about AA (alcoholics anon.)
- I attended both ala-teen meetings and later AA meetings and have read
- a fair amount of literature on alcoholism. I believe that AA is often
- a very good program for some people, but like your description of NA
- I have noticed a "cultish" attitude about it. I remember reading
- accounts of groups of AA people that hung around each other for years
- and almost invariably as soon as all of them were dry one of the members
- of the group would go "off the wagon" presumably just to become "cured"
- again by his group of friends. I never really bought into AA's notion
- of realizing in a higher power as a necessary step in recovery, because
- I have quit drinking and my father has quit drinking and neither one
- of us did it with the help of a "higher power" (to our knowledge.)
- He quit drinking on his own without the help of any such organization
- as did I. The 12 steps may help some people, but I believe the simple
- realization that our lives were being destroyed by our addictions to
- alcohol led to our quitting. Amazingly enough I am now able to drink
- socially without feeling the urge to get plastered....as a matter of
- fact I am disgusted and repulsed by the idea of having a physical
- addiction to alcohol.
- I have also come to a personal conclusion that alcoholism, as well
- as other drug addictions, is not a "disease". AA claims that it
- necessary to "understand" this "fact" to break the addiction, but
- again perhaps it may help some people pyschologically deal with their
- problem when they hear it is a disease or caused by genetics...it is
- not necessary and IMHO its not even a valid claim. I remember a
- recent study that finally dispelled the myth about alcholism being
- carried through genes (or whatever). The study showed that AA's
- common notion of "one alcoholic parent = 50% chance of alcoholism
- for the sibling" is wrong....in fact this new study showed that
- children of alcoholics are LESS likely to become alcoholics than
- children of non-alcholics. This came as a surprise to me after
- being brain-washed by AA and ala-teen both. Unfortunatly I do
- not keep old newspapers around or tape all the news shows I watch
- so I do not have a source to give to anyone...but since it was reported
- I am sure any recent book about alcoholism will cite the study.
-
- As a sidenote I find it amusing that people are often forced to attend
- AA or NA by judges when I remember distinctly hearing 50-100 times
- every session that "nobody can help an alcoholic that does not want to
- help themselves." What do they do with these people that don't want
- to be there, but are forced by others to attend ?
-