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- From: b645zaw@utarlg.uta.edu (Stephen Tice)
- Subject: ( One man's view ) Re: ** The Birth of NEW-ISRAEL ** (
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- Date: Thu, 28 Jan 1993 04:51:00 GMT
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- General Steamship <gss@igc.apc.org> writes...
- >
- >Hey Stephen, who do you say Jesus is? (Long explanation please)
-
- Thanks for the opportunity to speculate GS. What follows is my
- own belief as best I've been able to figure out so far -- and
- I think the "truth" is infinitely grander than I can conceive
- or convey, as a mere human.
-
- Jesus *was* a human being, now is the Messiah and one with GOD.
-
- Jesus was a lowly person by human reckoning, but very cherished
- by GOD who took the gift, freely given, of a person who gave all
- they *are* to GOD: mind, body, soul, self, spirit, and heart.
-
- And GOD joined with Jesus transcendently, throughout time, space,
- and all reality. And GOD walked this earth as JESUS, 2000 years
- ago and will do so again, as Jesus, but more importantly as The
- MESSIAH -- GOD come to live with us in the flesh, Lord or Lords,
- and King of Kings. I think Jesus was surprised that GOD took him
- up on the offer.
-
- And I'm overjoyed that GOD would even bother to find one of us
- worthwhile. To me, it'd be like picking a character out of a nin-
- tendo game, and then literally entering into that game to experience
- it from the viewpoint of one very limited, program controlled, mini-
- malist software construct. Even more amazing to me is that Creation
- itself seems to be like a prototype, or a beta-version which is buggy
- -- yet GOD even knowing that it's going to be redone, still hangs on
- to it, like a parent does a child's crayon pictures, purely as an
- expression of love.
-
- The point though is that there are bugs in the setup. Something to
- do with a feature of individual-free-will perhaps, that allows a person
- to turn away from GOD completely, and in doing so, damn themself to
- utter solitude. Nor am I talking about purely material persons. The
- same goes for the angels and those of us born of the spirit as well.
- To me, GOD so loves each and every person, individually, intimately,
- and directly, that the greatest pain will *always* be GOD-felt, for
- the loss of those who have walked off into the pit. And that includes
- Satan, a glorious angel of GOD who is lost in himself. And it includes
- Adam, the first homo sapiens that GOD enabled to experience spiritual
- birth. Ditto for Eve. And it includes all of us since then, who for
- some weird reason would rather choose our own way, rather than GOD's
- way. We are all hopelessly lost when on our own.
-
- It seems to be something emergent about this proto-creation that allows
- us to get completely lost in ourselves. I think it has something to
- do with being made not only in-the-image, but as-the-image of GOD.
- So that when we look on ourselves, we see not only GOD's reflected
- glory, but the reflection of a reflection of a reflection...
-
- Which brings me back to Jesus, who somehow, probably by relying
- totally on GOD, was able to look only to GOD, to depend solely on
- GOD, to love GOD first and foremost, and curiosly -- it all works
- out then -- 'cause GOD is so in love with each of us. In loving GOD,
- and GOD us, the results spill over onto everyone else. And Jesus did
- that.
-
- Jesus, flesh of our flesh, and blood of our blood saved all the rest
- of us. And so became one with GOD. Jesus submitted, as GOD, to death,
- no big deal, GOD already raised Lazarus, 4 days dead and rotten. GOD
- raised Jesus as well. And I believe GOD took Jesus, as Jesus, in the
- flesh, beyond all possibility we could ever understand, into Heaven,
- a spirtual/non-material domain. Jesus, just as we are, with the same
- emotions and joys, and experiencing time as we do, lives there now,
- and will do so until the end time -- when GOD's great city is brought
- from the new heaven down to the new earth.
-
- Which is strange, 'cause it seems that GOD wanted us to live in a
- garden -- but human's have this hang-up about cities. Jesus as GOD
- has changed all cosmic reality, and I believe, so as to fix what I
- loosely think of as "moral entropy." In so doing, Jesus allows us
- to be salvaged from proto-creation, and reborn in the flesh again
- into the new world. (note: Moral entropy is simply where we use
- our own ways to try to fix things and end up creating a bigger and
- more complicated mess.)
-
- GOD has a different approach, as I am persuaded by Vernard Eller, who
- wrote in _Christian Anarchy_ that GOD uses "Death and Resurrection"
- to fix things. Which seems to be a wonderful way of letting the ripples
- and feedback die out in this grandly GOD-reflective system we exist in.
- And then starting over.
-
- YAHWEH-JEHOVAH-ELOHIM-ALLAH-GOD-CHRIST-MESSIAH-HOLY SPIRIT-SHIVA-BRAHMA-
- VISHNU-CREATOR-KING OF KINGS-LORD OF LORDS-THAT BEING BEYOND CREATION
- FROM WHICH WE CAME AND OF WHICH ANY DESCRIPTION OR NAME FALLS SHORT OF
- THE TRUE GLORY OF --==** GOD **==- is also Jesus as a human being.
-
- I best know GOD through Jesus who shares my heart and in whose blood
- I am kin. Jesus, I believe, is the bridge from us to GOD. I don't know
- how or when each of us comes to that opportunity to cross over, but
- I believe we all do. It's not like we can get there by ourselves, but
- it's not hard: call on the name of Jesus for help, and flesh of our
- flesh, and blood of our blood -- and likely more accurately, we, who
- are flesh of GOD's flesh, and blood of of GOD's blood, will be heard
- -- and through The Messiah reborn. GOD's got it all worked out.
-
- Jesus is The Way, The Truth and The Life.
-
- Jesus is my Master, my Love, my Friend, my Family,
- and GOD-willing my Salvation, or if need be, my
- destruction. As GOD wills in loving truth so shall
- it be done.
-
- Ask GOD through Jesus if Ye would be saved, and
- my faith is that it shall be done.
-
- Such is Jesus, I believe. Amen.
-
- GOD correct my misconceptions.
-
- |
- -- J --
- |
- | Stephen "Thanks most sincerely GS"
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