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- From: harry@hershele.alf.dec.com (Harry Katz)
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- Subject: Schmidling the Populist
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.160608.7979@netnews.alf.dec.com>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 16:06:08 GMT
- Article-I.D.: netnews.1993Jan26.160608.7979
- References: <1j09npINN25m@slab.mtholyoke.edu><C0zF8q.4vv@ddsw1.mcs.com><1993Jan17.184434.28609@udel.edu><C118Jn.105@ddsw1.mcs.com><1993Jan18.174306.16859@vax5.cit.cornell.edu><C14yM2.9o0@ddsw1.mcs.com>
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- In article <1j09npINN25m@slab.mtholyoke.edu>,
- jyanowit@mtholyoke.edu (Jason Yanowitz) writes:
-
- The notion that Bo Gritz isn't a racist, anti-semitic, sexist
- pig is grounded in a skewed sense of reality. He's the head
- of the Populist Party, a proto-fascist/extreme right-wing
- organization...
-
-
- In article <C0zF8q.4vv@ddsw1.mcs.com>,
- arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) retorts:
-
- Your display abject ignorance of the Populist Party. Like all
- political parties, this one occasionally picks a real ringer
- to head the ticket and Grits is a first class loony put he in
- no way runs the party.
-
- In other words, Bo Gritz is "a racist, anti-semitic, sexist pig," but
- he is a "real ringer" and "in no way runs," or, we presume, represents
- the Populist Party.
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling continues:
-
- The simple objective of the populist party is to put the people
- first...
-
- By nominating loonies who do not represent the party platform at all!
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling continues:
-
- ...and your smearing it with fascist jewhating rhetoric does
- not make reality out of your igrnorant lies.
-
- Beg pardon, but isn't it Bo Gritz's "fascist jewhating rhetoric" that
- has smeared the party? The party's ignorant nomination and support for
- a loony is a reality that all of Mr. Schmidling's rhetoric cannot undo.
-
- ***
-
- In article <1993Jan17.184434.28609@udel.edu>,
- carroll@balin.cis.udel.edu (Mark C. Carroll) writes:
-
- Second: I've had some contact with the Populist party in
- New Jersey - they picked up a pretty strong following in some
- areas of New Jersey during the backlash against Governor
- Florio's tax hikes. The populist party is _not_ quite as you
- represent it.
-
- Their slogan is "America First". But just ask them what they
- *mean* by that, and what you get is a rampage about how those
- damn Kikes, Niggers, and Spics are out to ruin this country,
- and we've got to save it for the REAL americans by any means
- possible. They're not just stupid, but they're hateful - in
- Jersey, the populists I talked to wanted to get rid of the
- minorities they hated at *any* cost - I heard populists
- admiring Hitler for his brilliant solution to the problems
- of our "inferior unamerican races".
-
-
- In article <C118Jn.105@ddsw1.mcs.com>,
- arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) retorts:
-
- Well, I have two things to say.
-
- Yes, but will they be intelligible?
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling's first point:
-
- I have heard both Republicans and Democrats use those
- expressions on occasions but hard would condemn the parties
- of the this-ngs you suggest.
-
- It is impossible to know exactly what Mr. Schmidling means by the
- phrase, "hard would condemn!" If he means that it would be hard to
- find any public condemnation of these practices, that only shows how
- out of touch he is with recent American history. If he means that he
- himself would be hard put to condemn these parties for these practices,
- that is quite easy to believe and explains his reluctance to condemn
- his own party for the same practices.
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling goes on to his second point:
-
- I have been to several meetings of the Illinos Populist Party
- and have never heard those terms used nor the ideas you suggest
- discussed.
-
- On the other hand, the Democratics and Republicans do regularly
- discuss "those terms" and "those ideas" in order to condemn them and
- eradicate them from their parties.
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling continues:
-
- I have read their very excellent newsletter for a number
- of years and again suggest that your experience is not mine.
-
- We can all safely assume that Mr. Schmidling's experience is unlike
- anything any of us have ever imagined in our wildest fantasies.
-
- ***
-
- In article <1993Jan18.174306.16859@vax5.cit.cornell.edu>,
- q2tj@vax5.cit.cornell.edu writes:
-
- Here's a summary of the recent history of the populist
- party ...... The Populist Party ( & populism) has a long history
- that goes back to the last century. Since the sixties it was
- pretty much non-existent .....
-
-
- As innocuous as this piece is, in article <C14yM2.9o0@ddsw1.mcs.com>,
- arf@ddsw1.mcs.com (Jack Schmidling) retorts:
-
- Interesting how your summary of "recent history" contained not
- a single recent fact.
-
- This is the most irony that Mr. Schmidling has been able to muster in
- entire carreer on the net.
-
-
- He continues:
-
- It is interesting also how you equate the Populist Party
- with populism.
-
- It is even more interesting that Mr. Schmidling finds fault in this
- observation. Surely someone in the party must have realized that
- naming it the "Populist Party" would invite comparison with populism.
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling continues:
-
- It's sort of like suggesting that only Democrats are interested
- in democracy.
-
- Whereas what Mr. Schmidling says is like suggesting that the Democratic
- Party wants no one to associate it with democracy!
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling continues:
-
- I was speaking for a very narrow segement of the the PP, i.e.,
- the Illinois Chapter which ran some very excellent candidates
- in the recent election.
-
- By his own admission, only "a very narrow segment" of the Populist
- Party was capable of running "some excellent candidates" but not all
- excellent candidates.
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling continues:
-
- Bo Gritz does not happen to be one of them and connecting
- everyone in the party with him and his views is simply hate
- mongering.
-
- Talk about blaming the messenger for the bad news!
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling continues:
-
- I myself ran for Cook County Commissioner on the Populist ticket
- a few years ago but that hardly makes me Fundamentalist loony
- like Gritz.
-
-
- In his previous post on this subject, Mr. Schmidling confessed that he
- had only been to few of the meetings, and now he reveals that he has
- already been run for office. With a system like this how do any of
- their candidates get to learn the party platform? No wonder each
- candidate represents only himself, not the party, nor any other
- individual member of the party!
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling continues:
-
- Jim Justice, an outstanding American...
-
- When he is not sitting in he is usually out standing.
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling continues:
-
- ...ran for the U S Senate on the PP ticket and expanded our
- choise beyond two raving Israel-firsters.
-
- In a way, Mr. Schmidling is himself an "Israel firster" in that
- support for Israel is his first and foremost criterion in judging
- a politician's suitability for office.
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling continues:
-
- Mosley-Braun out-Israeled her opponent...
-
- And apparently out-Schmidlinged poor Mr. Justice!
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling continues:
-
- ...even though he wore a yarmulka when ever addressing
- the Friends of Israel.
-
- The yarmulke is a symbol of the Jewish faith and has absolutely no
- connection whatsoever to Zionism or Israel, but it not surprising that
- Mr. Schmidling is totally ignorant of this fact. It is this kind of
- ignorance that leaves him wide open to charges of anti-Semitism. We
- all know how hard Mr. Schmidling labors to differentiate between Jews
- and Zionists. For example, he will always point out that the most
- dangerous supporters of Israel are not Jews at all, but Christian
- fundamentalists. It is hard to see how the Christian fundamentalists
- would have been impressed by a candidate in a yarmulke!
-
- Moreover, in spite of his capitalization, there is no such
- organization as the "Friends of Israel." Is it any wonder that
- wearing a yarmulke before a non-existent group did not translate
- into votes?
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling continues:
-
- It's is real nice to have an alternative to the media sanctioned
- candidates.
-
- Too bad the Populist Party is not that alternative!
-
-
- Mr. Schmidling continues:
-
- I think Perot proved that and all you smearing of a third party
- will not change things much.
-
- The Populists were not swept into power on Ross Perot's coat-tails and
- All Perot's billions could not make them popular! And Mr. Schmidling's
- smearing of the yarmulke will not help him convince anyone that he is
- not anti-Semitic.
-
-
- Harry Katz
-