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- From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
- Subject: Re: Bo Gritz/Federal Reserve
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 11:31:55 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan25.083137.28783@StarConn.com> rburns@StarConn.com (Randall J. Burns) writes:
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- >1) Do you feel it is sheer and utter coincidence that several of the
- > most prominent financial criminals in recent decades have been Jewish
- > (i.e. Ivan Boesky, Michael Milken, Meyer Lansky)? Would it be fair
- > to say that just as Jews have produced a disproportionate number of
- > doctors, lawyers and Nobel prize winners, they produced a
- > disproportionate number of certain types of criminals.
- >
- >2) Do you think it would be fair to say that the cohesiveness and
- > and educational strengths of the Jewish community have contributed to
- > the production of this particular breed of criminals?
-
- For various historical reasons different ethnic groups have
- tended to concentrate in specific career or occupational
- fields. One of the fields that Jews may have tended to
- enter in the west is banking and finance. If so, it would
- not be surprising if we found that a larger percentage of
- illegal acts in banking and finance were conducted by Jews
- than their percentage of the general population. But so what:
- Italians (at least in this part of the country) have often
- gone into construction. So it might not be surprising
- if illegal acts associated with the construction industry
- were over-represented by Italians. In neither case would
- such findings cast any aspersions on the ethnic group in
- question; it merely represents the probabilistic outcome
- of the numbers based on whatever historical forces engendered
- certain career choices.
-
- BTW, I should also point out that so far nobody on the net
- has produced any hard numbers pertaining either to Jews'
- participation in banking, nor to their propensity to
- produce banking criminals. In this part of the country
- (Boston area) my casual observations tend to suggest
- that both the bankers, and the banking criminals are
- WASPy (like me), not surprising when one considers that
- historically in Boston WASPs have dominated the upper
- crust.
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- >3) Do you think it fair to say that the production of this particular
- > type of criminal is utterly incomprehensible to people who haven't
- > had much direct exposure to cosmopolitan cultures?
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- I don't understand this question.
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- >Personally, I see Gritz's speculation in the same vein as the attempts
- >of ignorant people to attempt to undertand the dynamics of organized
- >crime
-
- Gritz hardly seems to be "speculating". If one refers to a
- "Zionist" conspiracy one seems to have one's theory already
- worked out.
-
- > -and Mr. Frank's comments in the vein of comments that attempted
- > to deny the existance of the Mafia.
-
- The Mafia is called "organized crime", instead of merely "crime",
- because it is conspiratorial in nature. No one denies that
- the organized crime originally in the form of Sicilian and southern
- Italian syndicates exist. Mr. Frank's comments, as far as I
- can see, are in the vein of demanding evidence that there
- is some equivalent to this among Jews, i.e., a conspiracy
- largely among a group of Jews to run a syndicate of financial
- or banking crime.
-
- I would add to this the caveat that around here there was,
- when I was growing up, the reprehensible and racist assumption
- that anyone with an Italian last name had connections with
- organized crime. I grew up in an Italian neighborhood (we
- bought our house from the Gallerani's, on one side were
- the Balboni's, on the other the Tangerini's, etc, etc) so
- I was very sensitive to this when I was a kid. But
- likewise there is the racist assumption that Jews have
- connections with "money" or some unique relationship
- with it. No one can imagine poor or working class Jews.
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- ---peter
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