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- From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
- Subject: Re: Yale Law One-World Government?
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- Date: Mon, 25 Jan 1993 14:16:18 GMT
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- In article <1jll6hINNc5h@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
- >
- >Peter Nelson suggests that it is natural for leaders to share such
- >indicators as high incomes and well-connected families. This is true
- >in an aristocratic state, but certainly falls a ways short of the
- >democratic ideal according to which a common person, such as Lincoln,
- >could rise to power with minimal or zero suppport from the power
- >brokers.
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- "Democratic ideals" are in the eye of the beholder, but I'm
- not sure what your point is . . . if you're merely saying that
- we don't live in a pure democracy, that's a given -- we live
- in a republic. If you're lamenting the fact that one cannot
- achieve national office in the US without vast money and
- support from the politically well-connected, the what's your
- point about that? Can you envision some way of structuring
- the electoral system of a vast, extremely diverse post-industrial
- nation of 240 million people that *wouldn't* require this?
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- Bill Clinton came from humble beginnings. But he also got his
- education at schools attended mainly my the rich and powerful,
- and this inevitably shapes one's values.
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- > Peter further suggests that the "natural" tendency to want
- >to discus matters of "common interest" in a private setting is a far
- >cry from conspiracy. To the contrary, it is a precise description of
- >conspiratorial behavior.
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- From the _American Heritage Dictionary_, Second College Edition:
- "Conspiracy . . . 1. An agreement to perform together an illegal,
- treacherous, or evil act."
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- This is the key. A mere confluence of interests does not a
- conspiracy make. You and I and third member of a 5 member
- Board of Selectmen may together vote against an ordinance
- that in our heart-of-hearts we know is good for the town,
- thus defeating it. But if we did so each for our own
- self-serving reasons, and without some prior plotting to-
- gether to do so, it's not a conspiracy. A conspiracy
- requires that the conspirators plan to act together in the
- interest of the conspiracy.
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- ---peter
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