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- From: thf2@ellis.uchicago.edu (Ted Frank)
- Subject: Re: What the Trilateralists truly intend
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- Date: Sun, 24 Jan 1993 18:57:45 GMT
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- In article <1jtmfgINNs3m@usenet.INS.CWRU.Edu> aq817@cleveland.Freenet.Edu (Steve Crocker) writes:
- >
- >Well, Ted, I may have located a CFR related threat to the US Constitution.
- >Unfortunately, I don't have primary sources handy, so I'm forced to rely
- >on third party characterizations. It shouldn't be too difficult to locate
- >the material referenced, however, if you suspect the characterization is
- >innaccurate. The following quote is from the 1985 report "The Trilaterial
- >Conspiracy Against the U.S. Constitution: Fact or Fiction" published by
- >Lyndon LaRouche's Executive Intelligence Review.
-
- I don't consider Lyndon LaRouche a credible source. As you may recall,
- he thinks Queen Elizabeth is the head of a worldwide conspiracy to deal
- drugs. He also has a host of anti-Semitic beliefs, and his organization
- is run more like a cult than a political group. I ask you to find better
- evidence in the future, but I'll respond to it this time.
-
- >"Cutler was a founding member of "Project 1987", a Brookings Institution
- >effort to overthrow the U.S. Constitutional system in favor of British
- >parliamentarianism.
-
- Arguing parliamentarianism is better than republicanism does not equal
- supporting "overthrow." (It may be incorrect, but it's hardly traitorous.)
- Have you actually ever *read* anything Cutler wrote, or are you just
- taking LaRouche's word for it? I've read some of Cutler's stuff. It's
- pretty innocuous. And hardly indicative of anything more than his opinion--
- with a little work, I could find a CFR member who has written *against*
- parliamentarianism. I could probably even find two or three.
-
- >While still White House counsel, Cutler published an
- >article in the Fall 1980 issue of Foreign Affairs, motivating his proposal
- >for abandoning the presidential system, on the grounds that in the coming
- >era of economic scarcity, a constituency-oriented political system would
- >be incapable of imposing the necessary levels of austerity. In 1982, Cutler
- >established the Committee for the COnstitutional System to lobby for his
- >anti-Constitutional proposals.
-
- Non sequitur. A Constitutional amendment, by definition, is hardly
- anti-Constitutional.
-
- If Cutler is the CFR's biggest threat to the Constitution (leaving aside
- the fact that Cutler is a *member*, not a *representative* of the CFR), then
- I safely stand by my claim that the CFR poses no threat to the Constitution.
- I daresay a majority of the CFR opposes Cutler, just because a huge majority
- of people in Washington oppose Cutler on this issue.
-
- > Principal positions: chairman, D.C. Commission on Administration of Justice
- >Under Emergency Conditions [charming name -SC], 1968;
-
- Is your memory of history so shady that you forget what "emergency
- conditions" in 1968 the name refers to? It's just bureaucratese for "riot."
-
- >executive director,
- >National Commission on Causes and Prevention of Violence, 1968-69;
-
- Innocuous organization.
-
- >trustee, Brookings Institution;
-
- Innocuous organization.
-
- >director, Council on Foreign Relations, 1977-1979."
-
- Still no evidence that it's not an innocuous organization.
-
- >I think this may establish just a tad closer relationship between the CFR
- >and schemes for Constitutional reorganization than President Eisenhower
- >and the Dodgers.
-
- I see no evidence the CFR supported this scheme, or did anything to work
- towards it.
-
- >You should be aware that allegations of causality which
- >suggest a CAUSAL MECHANISM are not legitimately dissmissed as though their
- >only support were correlation and time sequence. The suggested mechanism
- >may be IMPLAUSIBLE, but the responsible critic should not dismiss it as though
- >it had not been suggested. He or she should properly attempt to SHOW that it
- >is implausible.
-
- I've already done so.
- --
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