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- From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
- Newsgroups: alt.child-support
- Subject: Re: Bishop Flames (Re: Indiana Welfare)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan27.202630.6857@desire.wright.edu>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 20:26:29 EST
- References: <qyqZXB1w165w@oneb2.almanac.bc.ca> <C1HrEJ.AoG@cs.psu.edu> <1993Jan27.065650.6838@desire.wright.edu> <C1Iq84.HMs@cs.psu.edu>
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- In article <C1Iq84.HMs@cs.psu.edu>, beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- > sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
- >>beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver) writes:
- >
- >>> Lisa, it would help a lot if you'd avoid the tirades against NCP's
- >>> and against anyone who thinks that "child" support is too high.
- >>>
- >>> Sometimes, you seem rational -- but then comes a post full of anger
- >>> and hate (here, you have five !'s, a couple of ???'s, plus a "God
- >>> forbid" and a "sure as hell" to lash out against people who have
- >>> different opinions). The point being, regardless of whether you are
- >>> justified or not, you show little respect for people who don't share
- >>> your opinion.
- >>>
- >>
- >>A complaint about hostility? From the Beave? Wow.....
- >>
- >>> I am one of those people, and I would like to discuss child support
- >>> rationally. Unlike the lurkers that Sue Bishop mentioned, I'm not
- >>> afraid of your negativity, but I would still like to hear agreeing
- >>> and opposing views, without personal attacks.
- >>
- >>I just couldn't let this pass. Don, you are suggesting that the lurkers
- >>were afraid of *Lisa's* hostility. They weren't. They were afraid of
- >>yours.
- >
- > I realize you can't let anything pass. Your interpretation is wrong.
- >
-
- NO, you just twisted things again. Well, I've had it. Yep, you win.
- I'm leaving. When I found this group, I had hopes of getting factual
- information, exchanging information, maybe exchanging emotional support.
-
- Instead, if any woman CP posts ANYTHING about having problems, they get
- flamed thoroughly by The Beave and Alan, who seem to have some weird
- sexual thrill going by female bashing.
-
- So, I'm bailing out. I don't need this. I'm voting with my feet.
- Life's too short to put up with all this.
-
- To Lisa: Send me some e-mail occasionally. I hope things get better for
- you.
-
- To Alan and The Beav: Get a life. And BTW, as far as I think, you
- both deserve anything the courts throw at you. I don't blame your ex-s
- for sticking you for anything they can. Your anti-feminine bias and
- hostility to any woman who DARES to post in *your* group sure give me
- some doubts as to exactly what your sexual preferences are? Into S & M?{
-
-
- >
- >>> I was starting to think that your support group's goals were
- >>> reasonably balanced -- but I'm a bit worried that it's like
- >>> gender-neutral laws: the bias can be read between the lines.
- >
- >>The vast amount of gender bias in this group has come from you and Alan.
- >>Once again, while Lisa is being a little extreme, you seem to be trying
- >>to rekindle the flame war. Sigh, get a grip, will you? Or are we going
- >>back to the alt.child-support.male-only again?
- >
- >
- > I prefixed my comments with "Lisa" -- but it is no surprise that
- > Sue Bishop returned to bat.
- >
- > Sue, I disagree with you. In my opinion, the vast amount of *gender*
- > bias has come from you, as well as the hostility. Above, I made
- > some comments to Lisa about how her article sounded, and you respond
- > with name-calling and accusations. I find it hypocritical of you
- > to condone Lisa's "being a little extreme."
- >
- >
- > I regard this group as a forum for all people, men and women,
- > CP's and NCP's and parents and nonparents, to discuss their opinions
- > of child support levels and enforcement-related issues.
- >
- > If you would like to start alt.child-support.sue_and_lurkers_only,
- > be my guest.
- >
- > But I hope people can state their opinions here, even when they disagree,
- > without escalating to name-calling and hostilities. It is those
- > escalations that scare off the unidentified lurkers you want to protect,
- > Sue. They also scare off the lurking NCP's who are used to tirades
- > about "deadbeat dad's." Does your sympathy extend to them as well?
- >
-
- This from the guy who kept beating the dead pony? Bet yours and Alan's
- wifes left because you beat them.
-
- I'm outa here.
-
- Sue
-
- > Don
- > --
- > beaver@cs.psu.edu Opinions from the PC-challenged
-