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- From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
- Subject: Re: Something for nothing
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- Date: Sat, 23 Jan 1993 19:38:05 GMT
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- gslars@staff.tc.umn.edu (Greg Larson) writes:
- >garrod@dynamo.ecn.purdue.edu (David Garrod) writes:
- >>
- >> Inaugural Address: "We must stop expecting something for
- >>nothing." W. Clinton.
- >>
- >> Why is it appropriate then, Mr President, to demand child
- >>support from thousands of men, without enforcing the rights
- >>of the fathers to see their children?
- >
- >Where does he state his policy in this regard (you seem pretty
- >good with quotes)?
-
- Clinton wishes to use the following measures to enforce child support:
- "a Draconian system of national child support" [his words];
- fathers' social-security numbers on birth certificates;
- notifying credit agencies of "deadbeat dads" [his words];
- wage garnishment; criminalization of nonpayment.
-
- In other words, trickle-down visitation: protect the chosen elite
- and the rest will follow.
-
-
- I have never heard the fatherless Clinton mention ensuring visitation
- as a method to promote support payments. Nor have I heard him acknowledge
- that poverty and unemployment are responsible for much unpaid support.
- He is perceptive enough to avoid politically-costly truths.
-
- Of course, if you have such evidence, please share it -- I'd be
- very interested, and consequently a tiny bit happier with Clinton's
- views on fathers' rights.
-
-
- >I won't argue with you there, but you seem a little mixed up regarding
- >cause-and-effect relationships. I'll stand corrected if you can
- >show me where Clinton supports prohibitions on father visitations.
-
- IMHO, you're being a bit ridiculous here.
-
-
- >Of course, there are cases where fathers exhibit violence against
- >their wife or children, so in those cases visitations must be restricted
- >or eliminated alltogether. (And please don't infer that I suspect
- >you to be a violent sort of person.)
-
- Yes, and an equal number of women exhibit violence against their
- children, so in those cases custody and visitation by women must
- be restricted or eliminated altogether, right?
-
- Don
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