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- From: beaver@castor.cs.psu.edu (Don Beaver)
- Subject: Re: IMHO
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- References: <1993Jan17.075332.6631@desire.wright.edu> <1993Jan18.194604.6459@ll.mit.edu> <1993Jan21.062636.6706@desire.wright.edu>
- Date: Thu, 21 Jan 1993 21:58:15 GMT
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- sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
- >In article <1993Jan18.194604.6459@ll.mit.edu>, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
- >> In article <1993Jan17.075332.6631@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
- >>>
- >>>Sorry, Bob, I've encountered so much hostility from Alan and The Beav, that
- >>>I responded harsher than I'd planned. This group should be more of an
- >>>information sharing group, not one where people get attacked when they
- >>>try to share their problems. I've corresponded with several women who
- >>>have dropped out of the group, they just don't want to even try to participate
- >>>when posts like the ones Lisa has posted get so immediately attacked
- >>>and cause such negative response.
- >>>It's funny, if a 'woman' was to be so entirely negative about a man's problems,
- >>>she is accused of male-bashing. But when Lisa posts her problems with
- >>>collecting childsupport, she is immediately attacked, very nastily by
- >>>both Alan and the Beav.
-
- >>>Everything that they get involved with in this group is only viewed by
- >>>them from their own personal viewpoint. They make no effort to try to
- >>>look at anyone else's.
- >>>Has anyone else noticed that the group is slowly becoming almost totally
- >>>male? Most women are afraid or reluctant to post since they get so
- >>>heavily attacked.
- >>>Maybe this group needs to be renamed alt.child-support.male-only.
-
-
- >> The problem is, exactly, the problem. You won't get square
- >> one here. Most NCP fathers are not assholes like the one that
- >> you describe. But they have the right to be based on the harsh
- >> system that exists. Your story is just an artifact of what
- >> *most* men are feeling, but not acting on.
- >
- >Not most, only the ones who are either in a bad situation or have made
- >a bad situation worse by their hostility or neglect.
-
- It seems you think that most women are oppressed and too afraid
- to speak out, while only a few men are oppressed and they are
- at fault for speaking out.
-
-
- >> Women are not heavily attacked here; the system is.
- >
- >Gee, you mean all those nasty things you said about Lisa and me were
- >really directed to the system? Wow, I'm so relieved.
-
- Actually, most of my comments about Lisa were directed toward
- the system -- I object to a system that, in principle, motivates
- child support for luxuries. And I object to systematic mistreatment
- of CP's and NCP's alike. We've been through that, Sue.
-
- I am certainly guilty of reacting to your flames in kind, Sue,
- but I have tried to hold my tongue despite your continued behavior
- ("jerks"/"bastards"/"The Beav" seem to be inevitable in your posts).
-
- Now, how about some discussion, rather than name-calling, sarcasm, hostility?
-
- Don
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