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- From: sbishop@desire.wright.edu
- Newsgroups: alt.child-support
- Subject: Re: IMHO
- Message-ID: <1993Jan21.062636.6706@desire.wright.edu>
- Date: 21 Jan 93 06:26:36 EST
- References: <1993Jan17.075332.6631@desire.wright.edu> <1993Jan18.194604.6459@ll.mit.edu>
- Organization: Wright State University
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- In article <1993Jan18.194604.6459@ll.mit.edu>, yasu@ll.mit.edu (Alan Yasutovich) writes:
- > In article <1993Jan17.075332.6631@desire.wright.edu> sbishop@desire.wright.edu writes:
- >>
- >>Sorry, Bob, I've encountered so much hostility from Alan and The Beav, that
- >>I responded harsher than I'd planned. This group should be more of an
- >>information sharing group, not one where people get attacked when they
- >>try to share their problems. I've corresponded with several women who
- >>have dropped out of the group, they just don't want to even try to participate
- >>when posts like the ones Lisa has posted get so immediately attacked
- >>and cause such negative response.
- >>It's funny, if a 'woman' was to be so entirely negative about a man's problems,
- >>she is accused of male-bashing. But when Lisa posts her problems with
- >>collecting childsupport, she is immediately attacked, very nastily by
- >>both Alan and the Beav.
- >>Everything that they get involved with in this group is only viewed by
- >>them from their own personal viewpoint. They make no effort to try to
- >>look at anyone else's.
- >>Has anyone else noticed that the group is slowly becoming almost totally
- >>male? Most women are afraid or reluctant to post since they get so
- >>heavily attacked.
- >>Maybe this group needs to be renamed alt.child-support.male-only.
- >>
- >>Sue
- >
- > It has always been mostly male. And for good reason.
- > 90+% of NCP's are men.
-
- So, the group SHOULD be alt.child-support.male-only? Because 90+% of NCP's
- are men? Yep, there you go again, saying that this is only a one sided
- problem. I hate to keep bursting your bubble, but there are *women*
- out there losing their homes, trying to go to school, pay child-care,
- pay for food, work full-time, and struggling along on not quite enough
- to live on because their ex is not paying child-support.
-
- >
- > But your point is well taken. I'm not sure that as many women
- > are "afraid" to post; I mean it doesn't "hurt". There just
- > aren't as many. And we've had our share of women NCP's who
- > are getting the same treatment.
-
- What do you mean that 'as many women are 'afraid' to post? I've personally
- gotten e-mail from four of them, all who just don't want to put themselves
- in Lisa's shoes, and be the target of such nasty hostility.
-
- >
- > Hey, nice to have a good conversation for a change.
-
- Right.
-
-
- > The problem is, exactly, the problem. You won't get square
- > one here. Most NCP fathers are not assholes like the one that
- > you describe. But they have the right to be based on the harsh
- > system that exists. Your story is just an artifact of what
- > *most* men are feeling, but not acting on.
- >
-
- Not most, only the ones who are either in a bad situation or have made
- a bad situation worse by their hostility or neglect.
-
- > Women are not heavily attacked here; the system is.
-
- Gee, you mean all those nasty things you said about Lisa and me were
- really directed to the system? Wow, I'm so relieved.
-
-
- >
- > --
- > Alan Yasutovich
- > "inquiring (and nosey) minds WANT TO KNOW!!!"
- > I can remember when "safe sex" meant having a padded headboard!!
- > Tick Tock.....Tick Tock......Tick Tock .....Tick Tock......
-
- Sue
-