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- From: Daniel Norman Johnson <johnsd2@vccnw07.its.rpi.edu.its1>
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism.moderated,sci.skeptic
- Subject: Anthropologically observerved "super-natural events"
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- Date: Wed, 27 Jan 1993 02:06:06 GMT
- References: <1993Jan27.002731.29956@fcom.cc.utah.edu>
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- I'm crossposting this to sci.skeptic (in case they know anything
- about this stuff) and alt.atheism.moderated, as this might just
- produce a discussion there, and seems reasonable. Off we go.
-
- In article 29956@fcom.cc.utah.edu, jhigbee@cs.weber.edu (Jonathan C. Higbee) writes:
- >
- >Greetings:
- >
- >My anthropology teacher mentioned that in her field work she
- >experienced some not readily explainable things such as rain
- >dances working and knives bending against sternums in Bali. She
- >mentioned that other anthropologists had observed similar data;
- >that when such data is observed it's usually just recorded and
- >set aside, since what's observed is outside the "normal
- >traditional" anthropological data.
-
- Well that's not very nice.
-
- >Apparently the Zuni have rain dances on a scheduled and
- >non-scheduled basis. The dances my teacher observed did appear to work
- >(though she didn't observe them all dilligently probably because
- >there's a tendency to set such data aside as she mentioned). Mabie the
- >knife benders in Bali got ahold of Uri Gelders secret spoon bending cream,
- >but maybie not. Since I'm not aware of intensive studies to verify
- >the acuracy of Zuni rain dances or the integrety of the knife bending
- >in Bali.
-
- Well, lets see what I can do. Do these dances take place during
- a particular time of year? How much rain is there that time of year?
- Have any statistics been compiled about this? Its very easy to remember
- that time when the dancers danced and the rain fell. But when it doesn't,
- well that's not so memorable.. real statistics about it thus needed.
-
- What are the spoons made of? Where do they get them? Can ANYONE
- do the spoon trick, or just initiates of some kind? Do they poke
- themselves with the sharp bits? Is any blood spilt? Does this
- ever fail?
-
- >She did volonteer one possibility that perhaps group belief had
- >some bearing on what actually worked in a given religion, but she
- >nor I know for sure how to explain these occurances.
-
- Nether do I. More info is needed.
-
- >I don't know whether group belief with all participants in a given rite
- >having to believe in what will happen actually explains what occurs.
- >Perhaps there's extra parts to our being which we don't currently
- >understand. Perhaps science will someday describe how these seemingly
- >para-normal [yet actually fully natural] things happen
-
- I tend to agree- there are lots of things we don't understand. That
- doesn't mean we CAN'T. Maybe this is one of them.
-
- >No doubt that some things which occur are figments of peoples
- >imagination and/or religious frenzy, but is every seemingly
- >super-natural occurance to be dismissed?
-
- Not until they have been looked into, imho.
-
- > Given sufficient
- >experience in the study of different cultures, does one observe
- >seemingly super-natural things not currently explainable by
- >science?
-
- I dont know. But I know it does if you have around physics researchers
- long enough. :)
-
-
- ---
- - Dan Johnson
- And God said "Jeeze, this is dull"... and it *WAS* dull. Genesis 0:0
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