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- From: bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: Strong atheism ought to explain theism (Was: Re: Atheism is dogmatic.
- Message-ID: <11219@vice.ICO.TEK.COM>
- Date: 27 Jan 93 18:04:17 GMT
- References: <77482@apple.apple.COM> <11212@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> <77654@apple.apple.COM>
- Organization: Tektronix, Inc., Beaverton, OR.
- Lines: 49
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- In article <77654@apple.apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
- >In article <11212@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:
- >>In article <77482@apple.apple.COM> mikel@Apple.COM (Mikel Evins) writes:
- >>>In article <11194@vice.ICO.TEK.COM> bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM (Robert Beauchaine) writes:
- >>>I have memories of experiences of beings that I think deserve to be
- >>>called gods. Of course, maybe I don't count as I am (apparently) an
- >>>atheist. I suppose it's because I can tell the difference between
- >>>experiences that (for example) people on the net are going to consider
- >>>real and ones they aren't, and because I am skeptical by temperament.
- >>
- >> You just shot yourself in the foot. There was apparently some
- >> discernable factor of the experiences you are recalling that makes
- >> them of the variety you know we find unconvincing. Hence, these
- >> experiences were not the same as you daily experiences, and don't
- >> qualify as the kind to which I was referring.
- >
- >No I didn't. They are 'daily experiences'.
- >
- >I honestly can't tell what the 'kind to which [you were] referring'
- >means.
-
- I'm talking about the kind of experiences you mention that you can
- tell people on the net will be skeptical of. *How* can you tell?
- What's different about these experiences than, say, observing your
- hand at the end of your arm? If you can tell the difference, than
- these experiences fall outside of the realm that you and I call
- normal mundane sensation.
-
- I want an example of an encounter with god that was in every
- detail as real to you as sitting at your terminal typing a reply
- to my post. Ideally, all of the senses would be involved. If
- not, something akin to a conversation with another person will do,
- where you hear actual words, and see a complete solid body.
-
- I want to hear of something so real to you that you could not tell
- it apart from the routine of your daily life.
-
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-
- Bob Beauchaine bobbe@vice.ICO.TEK.COM
-
- "Look, I tried the cat experiment. On the third trial, the cat was
- dead. On each of the subsequent 413 trials, it remained dead. Am I
- doing something wrong?"
- James Nicoll
-
- Q. How many Heisenbergs does it take to screw in a light bulb?
- A. If you know the number, you don't know where the light bulb is!
-
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