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- From: ingles@engin.umich.edu (Ray Ingles)
- Newsgroups: alt.atheism
- Subject: Re: The First Cause argument (again)
- Date: 23 Jan 1993 01:25:23 GMT
- Organization: University of Michigan Engineering, Ann Arbor
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- In article <1993Jan22.180844.394@newsgate.sps.mot.com> weaver@chdasic.sps.mot.com (Dave Weaver) writes:
- >mathew <mathew@mantis.co.uk> () writes:
- >
- >It's my objection, Mark wrote in support of your position.
- >
- >> Your (Mark Schlegel's) objection is based on a number of assumptions:
- >>
- >> 1. Time is a single linear dimension.
- >> 2. Time proceeds forwards from past to future.
- >> 3. An event at time t1 can only cause an event at time t2 if t1 < t2.
- >
- >Correct, with a slight modification: I accept these assumptions for all
- >effects occuring within this universe, excepting #3 for the big bang.
- >I assume causality holds, and since the big bang event occurs at t=0,
- >it's cause would be extra-dimensional.
-
- See below.
-
- >> It may be the case that one or more of these assumptions is not the case.
- >> Stephen Hawking's "A Brief History of Time",
- >
- >"Brief History" is near the top of my "to read" list. But I am somewhat
- >familiar with his arguments, as I have read a couple of commentaries on
- >the work. As physicist Frank Tipler notes,
- > "... a four-dimensional sphere of zero radius forms a boundary to
- > Hawkings universe. ... He [Hawking] has eliminated the classical
- > singularity -- the beginning of time -- only to have it re-appear
- > as the "beginning" to the space of all possible four-spheres."
- >A quantum singularity is substituted for a classical singularity, and the
- >problem of "beginning" is not eliminated.
-
- Of course, that same Prof. Tipler published a paper wherein he proposed
- a design for a time machine. (He had sound relativistic reasons for
- doing so, though.)
- What does this say about your case aove?
-
- Sincerely,
-
- Ray Ingles || The above opinions are probably
- || not those of the University of
- ingles@engin.umich.edu || Michigan. Yet.
-