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- From: payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne)
- Newsgroups: alt.alien.visitors
- Subject: Re: The Cursor Speaks Out!
- Message-ID: <1993Jan26.185106.5220@netcom.com>
- Date: 26 Jan 93 18:51:06 GMT
- Organization: Netcom - Online Communication Services (408 241-9760 guest)
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- Subject: Re: The Cursor Speaks Out!
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- smg6@po.CWRU.Edu (Stanley M. Golem) posts...
-
- >This is reply to message 12865, posted by Mr. Richard Payne.
- >In an earlier message, payner@netcom.com (Rich Payne) writes:
-
- [edited for readability, ^Ms deleted]
-
- >>Detection of a wobble by photographic means has always seemed a bit
- >>suspicious to me. It seems that the error must exceed the magnitude
- >>of the wobble. Perhaps use of CCDs would reduce the errors. This is
- >>something about which I have doubts, can anyone confirm the inaccuracies
- >>present in photographic detection?
- >
- >Please read posts more carefully. Photographic detection of the type
- >that you seem to refer to was not mentioned and, as you point out, would
- >probably not detect a wobble.
-
- Not so, intitial detection of this kind of wobble -was- done with
- photographic methods. This was how the companion to Barnards star
- was discovered. It was what I was referring to.
-
- You need to divorce yourself from the notion that I must reference only
- what you have posted, and that you need not address any points made not
- in reference to your earlier text. The universe does not revolve around
- your consciousness.
-
- > But I was not referring to this method.
-
- I was.
-
- >My fault -- I should have spelled out "interferometry," which can detect
- >stellar diameters as small as 0.00041 arc-second, making use of the wave
- >nature of light. This technique was first used with the 100-inch Mt.
- >Wilson telescope back in the 1920's, so I assumed that anyone interested
- >in the subject would be well aware of this.
-
- You have other faults, do not flatter yourself. Gee, light has a wave
- nature! Gosh. Golly, wait till I tell Gomer...
-
- Interferometry, because of it's greater sensivitity, has other problems.
-
- >My original post said:
- >
- >>>One might raise the objection that these companions are too large to be
- >>>called planets. If they are nonluminous and orbiting a star, I don't
- >>>know what else you'd call them.
- >>So you would call a black hole or a neutron star a planet? The universe
- >>may be a bit young for black dwarfs, but these would also fit the bill.
- >>But cooler expired stars might not be detectable due to their small
- >>surface area.
- >
- >No, I would not call a black hole or a neutron star a planet. Don't be
- >ridiculous! The only nonluminous bodies with masses well below that of
- >the star they are orbiting are planets, at least as far as we know. If
- >you have incontrovertible proof otherwise, you should share it with the
- >rest of us.
-
- My point was that [non-luminous, orbiting star] != [planet]. This was in
- direct response to your assertion that "If they are nonluminous and orbiting
- a star, I don't know what else you'd call them." Please try to follow the
- conversation.
-
- >Again, try reading the original post more carefully.
-
- I don't give a fig about the original post, and apparently you do not
- give a fig about dicussion. I guess we both lose.
-
- > It says, given
- >the existence of nonluminous bodies orbiting a star, I would call them
- >planets rather than companion stars. I was refuting a possible objec-
- >tion that they might be called stars in their own right. Is this such
- >a hard sentence to understand?
-
- Already addressed.
-
- >My post also said:
- >>> In any case, their existence could
- >>>not possibly hurt the chances of smaller planets being present. I
- >>>hope this is useful.
- >To which you answered:
- >
- >>Who knows? Honestly, how do you know. Suppose the sub-star inhabits the
- >>habitibal zone (where liquid water is possible). Would that not affect
- >>the possibility of life at that solar system?
- >
- >Come on! If you're going to take up other people's time by posting, at
- >least put a little thought into it before you do so.
-
- Gratuitous insults do not add to your posts. Nor did you respond to what
- I had posted. No big surprise there.
-
- I ask again, why do you suppose that a jupiter sized planet located in the
- habitable zone could support life?
-
- >I said that the existence of large gas giants could not hurt the chances
- >of smaller planets being present.
-
- And I ask upon what you base this assumption.
-
- > For proof of this, just look at our
- >own solar system -- more than one huge planet and a good number of smaller
- >ones, at least one of which supports intelligent (for the most part) life.
-
- What do aspects of our solar system prove about other solar systems? Nothing.
-
- >Do you have trouble reading and understanding English, or are you simply
- >intellectually dysfunctional?
-
- No, but I do have trouble communicating with the learning disabled.
- Perhaps someday you can produce a post that can be read without editing.
-
-
- Rich
-
- payner@netcom.com
-