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- From: nelson_p@apollo.hp.com (Peter Nelson)
- Subject: Re: Star Trek: Deep Space Nine.
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- Date: Tue, 26 Jan 1993 13:01:21 GMT
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- In article <15840003@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM> brian@hplvec.LVLD.HP.COM (Brian Wood) writes:
- >Peter Nelson writes:
- > I gave up watching TV altogether a year or so ago precisely because
- > the very best it could manage was ca-ca like the Simpsons or STNG,
- > masquerading as quality for "thinking viewers" (almost an oxymoron)
- > when in reality it's distinctly lowbrow.
- >
- > The average Star Trek viewer is a child of the TV generation and
- > isn't very well-read. So he doesn't realize that all these
- > themes are treated with VASTLY greater insight and wit in such
- > diverse writings as Greek classical literature, the Bible, the
- > Vedic scripts, Shakespeare, and thousands of great works of 19th
- > and 20th century literature, including important works of science
- > fiction!
- >
- >Peter, I very much take exception to this. I thought you were better
- >informed. I, as an engineer, know many engineers who love Star Trek for
- >the moral, ethical, political and human rights issues it consistently
- >raises with a thin veneer of sci-fi,
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- Nobody denies that it *raises* these issues. My point is that
- it only addresses them in the most simplistic, unsophisticated
- manner imaginable. I'm taking issue with those here who say
- that Star Trek is intellectually sophisticated. Nietzsche
- or Hume might be intellectually sophisticated in matters of
- philosophy, Bell or Einstein in matters of physics, Hofstadter
- or Kuhn in matters of the philosophy of science, etc, to take
- some of the subjects that Star Trek touches on.
-
- But when I say things like this someone else is bound to
- retort, "But it's only a TV show!". Well, no shit, Sherlock,
- but we can't have our cake and eat it too. Unless "intellec-
- tually sophisticated" is going to have a different definition
- for TV than for every other medium, we have to face facts.
- And the fact is that while Star Trek may passingly acknowledge
- the existence of Great Issues it sheds precious little light
- on them for anyone who's reasonably well-educated.
-
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- > and I'll bet if you surveyed the engineers at the Chelmsford plant,
- > you'd find an awful lot of other Trekkers.
-
- So?
-
- >Star Trek derives many of its themes from Shakespeare, and many of the
- >actors are Shakespearean.
-
- So? Gilligan's Island could well be likened to "The Tempest"
- but there the comparison ends.
-
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- >Star Trek represents humankinds best hopes and dreams for a future we
- >can be proud of.
-
- How do you draw this conclusion?
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- ---peter
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