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- Subject: Re: how compatible is DECset 11 LSE/SCA
- Message-ID: <1993Jan12.140023@mccall.com>
- From: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 14:00:23 CST
- Reply-To: tp@mccall.com (Terry Poot)
- References: <1993Jan5.112408@mccall.com> <1993Jan11.182258.6008@e2big.mko.dec.com>
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- In article <1993Jan11.182258.6008@e2big.mko.dec.com>, walsh@sparty.zko.dec.com
- (Chris Walsh - DECset project lead writes:
- > Terry Poot (tp@mccall.com) raised several issues about DECset, and
- > particularly the LSE component, several days ago. Let me try to respond to
- > them all (Terry, if I miss something please followup.) Warning - this may
- >be
- > a little lengthy.
-
- Thank you!
-
- > The new document packaging has gotten some mixed reviews. Some like it,
- >some
- > don't. I suspect that what you are missing is that the reference manuals
- >are
- > included within the DECset images - there is a new set of savesets called
- > DECSETDOCS that contains the manuals you want.
-
- Great. Do I vmsinstal that or just unpack it? This stuff is on the CD, and I
- just ran out the release notes with vmsinstal to review. I didn't catch the part
- about the docs being separate, if it was in there.
-
- > Unfortunately, for various reasons I'd rather not go into, we do not have
- > bookreader format for these books.
-
- Is this a permanent situation? I'd _really_ prefer them to be on the doc CD's.
-
- >The normal CD documentation distribution
- > requires bookreader format, so they could not be included there. Faced with
- > not having the books available on-line, or putting them in our kits - we put
- > them in the kits.
-
- Given you didn't have bookreader format, I think you made the right choice. But
- again, I'd still prefer them on CD. Depending on how big they are, I may have to
- print and then delete them, and I still won't have it on-line. I'll probably
- print it anyway since there is so much new, so I do like having the option (one
- of my gripes about bookreader, incidentally, is that I can't print that stuff).
- What I'd really like, I guess, is both Bookreader and Postscript formats for
- everything. I know I'm dreaming. :-)
-
- > You can install without breaking everything. Installed correctly, LSE users
- > that use the system section file won't be able to tell the a new LSE has
- >been
- > installed. LSE users with customized section files will need to rebuild
- > them, as is true of every new release of LSE.
-
- I don't mind rebuilding, I've got the source. As long as I don't have to rewrite
- the source using the new command language, I'm happy.
-
- > LSE'S installation checks to see if there is a previously installed LSE. If
- > there is one, it asks the installer if he/she wants the use the default
- > settings of the installed LSE. If the installer says "yes" the user base
- > won't be able to tell there is a new LSE on the system except for rebuilding
- > their private section files which has always been the case for LSE.
-
- Hmm. I must have neglected to read the installation guide, because I missed all
- of that. Sorry.
-
- > Note carefully! LSE V4.0 has two command languages on VMS. The V3.1
- > compatable language and a "Portable Language" developed to be operating
- > system independent and portably implemented. (The V3.1 compatable language
- > depended on VMS)
- >
- > Documentation for the V3.1 compatable language is no longer shipped. So if
- > you intend to continue to use it, save your manual(s).
-
- Thanks for the warning.
-
- > - A potential data corruption within very large CMS libraries.
-
- Again, thanks for the warning. This one could have sunk us.
-
- >>Comments on the debugger (I know I'm drifting off topic for this
- >>group, but I thought I'd ask, since I'm here :-) ).
- >
- > The debugger is essentially the same debugger coming out in new VMS
- >releases.
- > It has a *much* improved graphical interface. We included it on the DECset
- > kit as a "sneak preview", so that it would be available earlier than if it
- > waited for a VMS release.
-
- I'm going to have to try out all this stuff in decwindows mode it seems. I long
- ago just set it all up to mostly use decterms, especially the debugger.
-
- Thanks very much for the authoritative answers! I really want to get my hands on
- the new stuff, and now it looks like it'll be safe to install it (after reading
- the release notes, installation guides, and reference manuals, of course).
- --
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