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- From: chrisl@stpaul.gov (Chris A Lyman)
- Subject: Re: Who are you guys?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan12.211745.15731@pwcs.stpaul.gov>
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- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 21:17:45 GMT
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- markp@joplin.wri.com (Mark Pundurs) writes:
- > bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense) writes:
- >> markp@joplin.wri.com (Mark Pundurs) writes:
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- >>> You're half-right; at this point, it's vital (no pun intended) to
- >>> ask whether the z/e/f has the right to life. New thread, anyone?
-
- >> Have already started that in this thread. I have stated that no such
- >> right exists. Why don't you prove there is in one short post?
-
- >> :)
-
- > Glad to see you concede that the "it's my womb, I can kill ANYONE I find
- > in there for ANY reason" argument is tommyrot.
-
- Sorry to butt in, Mark, but Ron in no way conceded any pro-choice argument.
- You did much the same with James Woodyatt's syllogisms; stating that James'
- conclusions about the rape/incest exception were absurd, even though James
- never mentioned rape or incest.
-
- > A first stab at defining what makes us human is "reasoning, free-willed
- > individuality." (From this follows our rights: right to life, right
- > to free speech, etc.) But we also regard newborn infants as human (I
- > hope!); and they sure aren't reasoning. We can reconcile this fact
- > with the above definition only by expanding that definition of
- > humanity (and the possession of human rights) to include the potential
- > for reasoning, free-willed individuality. Newborns have this potential --
- > and so do z/e/f's.
-
- So you hold that that which could be, is.
-
- Certain _radical_ feminists once held that since some men rape, all men are
- potential rapists. By your logic, _all_ men are rapists.
-
- Similarly, since murder can be performed with heavy, blunt instruments,
- all heavy, blunt instruments are potential murder weapons. By your logic,
- _all_ heavy, blunt instruments _are_ murder weapons.
-
- > Fire away!
-
- Ka-boom!
-
- --
- Chris Lyman / email: chrisl@pwcs.stpaul.gov / my thoughts, my words
- "Dignity. Always dignity." -- Gene Kelly in "Singin' in the Rain"
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