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- From: markp@joplin.wri.com (Mark Pundurs)
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
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- References: <1ifvijINNpia@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> <C0KC4u.13L@ra.nrl.navy.mil> <markp.726626607@spider.wri.com> <1993Jan12.182838.11208@nwnexus.WA.COM>
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- Date: Tue, 12 Jan 1993 23:28:10 GMT
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- In <1993Jan12.182838.11208@nwnexus.WA.COM> jbrindle@halcyon.com (Jennifer Brindle) writes:
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- >In article <markp.726626607@spider.wri.com> markp@spider.wri.com (Mark Pundurs) writes:
- >>In <C0KC4u.13L@ra.nrl.navy.mil> lebow@psl.nrl.navy.mil writes:
- >>
- >>>In article <1ifvijINNpia@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com> regard@hpsdde.sdd.hp.com (Adrienne
- >>>Regard) writes:
- >>>>In article <markp.725732494@dragonfly.wri.com> markp@dragonfly.wri.com (Mark
- >>>Pundurs) writes:
- >>>>>In <30DEC92.15120932@vax.clarku.edu> hsims@vax.clarku.edu writes:
- >>>>>
- >>>>>>Why do you feel pregnant women should not have a
- >>>>>>right to refuse to have their bodies used to support a fetus?
- >>>>>
- >>>>>A woman has the right to avoid conception. Once her voluntary actions
- >>>>>have created a human being and placed that human in a position of
- >>>>>dependency, she has obligated herself to act in accord with that human's
- >>>>>right to life.
- >>>>
- >>
- >>>I am totally confused by your use of the word "voluntary". What does the
- >>>intent of the parents have to do with the humans right to life?
- >>
- >>Nothing directly. I was responding to the "She's in my womb against my
- >>will, so, human or not, I can evict her" justification for abortion.
- >>
- >>>- Paul
- >>
- >>Mark Pundurs
-
- >I think you are confused on something, Mark. Being pregnant "against my will"
- >does not mean I did not consent to sex. I could have consented all night long
- >and still become pregnant "against my will". Having sex "against my will" is rape. Being pregnant "against my will" isn't the result of rape.
-
- I nver said any of those things.
-
- >Consenting to
- >sex is NOT consenting to becoming pregnant.
-
- But it IS consenting to the POSSIBILITY of pregnancy.
-
- >Likewise, not consenting to sex is
- >also not consenting to becoming pregnant. just because one action (sex) can,
- >bring about pregnancy, that does not mean that the consent to pregnancy is
- >dependent on the consent to sex. I have consented to sex thousands of times.
- >I have consented to pregnancy once. And once, I became pregnant "against my
- >will"--I did not consent to become pregnant at that time. Additionally, if
- >a woman IS raped, she MAY consent to being pregnant. It does not follow that
- >if a raped woman consents to being pregnant that she wasn't "really" raped.
- >By equating consent to sex with consent to pregnancy you are also equating
- >the reverse: that consent to pregnancy is also consent to sex.
-
- No, I'm not. "A implies B" is not equivalent to "B implies A".
-
- >Jennifer
-
- Mark Pundurs
-