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- From: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense)
- Newsgroups: talk.abortion
- Subject: Re: Mark is playing Devil's Advocate, and badly? (Re: Who are you guys?)
- Message-ID: <29568@oasys.dt.navy.mil>
- Date: 11 Jan 93 20:30:13 GMT
- References: <markp.726641670@spider.wri.com> <markp.726780867@joplin.wri.com>
- Reply-To: bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ronald Bense)
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- In talk.abortion, markp@joplin.wri.com (Mark Pundurs) writes:
- >In <29531@oasys.dt.navy.mil> bense@oasys.dt.navy.mil (Ron Bense) writes:
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- >>Abortion is either wrong, or it is not.
-
- >Here's your mistake. No serious ethical questions are this absurdly
- >simple.
-
- I made it simple so there would be no mistakes in interpretation. You
- seem to move about in absolutes.
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- >Compare: The use of force is either wrong, or it is not. If it is wrong,
- >you may not use force to prevent someone from killing you. If it is not
- >wrong, then anyone who wants may use force however he wants.
-
- You said it was allowed in the case of rape. If it is ok there, then
- there is no logical reason to disallow it in other cases. (Recall that
- the fetus itself has no significant differences whether it is conceived
- willingly or unwillingly) In the above force case, someone is again
- trying to propagate something onto another (sounds a lot like a fetus
- usurping the mother's resources for its own needs, doesn't it) and something
- unsavory must be done to halt it. (I've never claimed that use of force
- or abortion is a "nice" thing)
-
- BTW, the force arguement, if you support it, also directly covers abortion.
- It is a much shorter step than the one between supporting capital punishment
- and banning abortion. It is also much more logical.
-
- Ron Think about this one (seen on a bumper sticker):
- The road to hell is bumper-to-bumper
- Make a U-turn to God.
- The irony is priceless.
-