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- From: datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU (David Aaron Tepper)
- Subject: Re: Who are you guys?
- Message-ID: <1993Jan11.182448.456@Princeton.EDU>
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- Date: Mon, 11 Jan 1993 18:24:48 GMT
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- In article <markp.726771489@joplin.wri.com>, markp@joplin.wri.com (Mark
- Pundurs) writes:
-
- >In <1993Jan10.220646.246@Princeton.EDU> datepper@phoenix.Princeton.EDU
- >(David Aaron Tepper) writes:
- >>In article <markp.726677631@spider.wri.com>, markp@spider.wri.com (Mark
- >>Pundurs) writes:
- >>>>The two cases are not so different as you might believe. In both
- >>>>cases, the z/e/f dies. The only difference is the circumstances of
- >>>>the conception.
- >>>Which IS an important difference.
- >>Not to the z/e/f it isn't!
- >But it is to the mother.
-
- Irrelevant, if you're a pro-lifer. The poor, helpless, _defenseless_
- z/e/f couldn't possibly help the circumstances of its conception. Why
- are you punishing it by denying it your supposed right to reside in
- a woman's uterus for nine months?
-
- >>>>Why is it okay for the z/e/f conceived of rape to
- >>>>be aborted, but not any other z/e/f?
- >>>>Answer: In the case of rape, it is a woman's right to abort a baby
- >>>>she does not want and cannot care for. Pro-choicers merely extend
- >>>>this right to include _any_ baby she does not want and cannot care for.
- >>>Your faulty leap of logic might be slightly justifiable in a reality
- >>>where there was NO way for a woman to avoid pregnancy with complete
- >>>assurance. In this reality, there are various forms of
- >>>non-genital/genital
- >>>sex that fill the bill -- not to mention sexual abstinence.
- >>Mark, you can't just _say_ my logic is faulty. You've got to prove it
- >>too. So I'll ask you again: Why is abortion okay in the case of rape
- >>or incest, but not in other cases?
- >I did. Here it is again: Chance (e.g., contraceptive failure) is an
- >inescapable fact of reality; rape is a violation of rights by a free
- >actor. Your logic has so far unsupportedly denied this distinction.
-
- It is not a woman's fault if she gets raped, and it is not her fault
- if a contraceptive fails. There are no guarantees for safety in this
- world, but if we have a procedure which can reverse the effects of
- rape or a torn condom, what is so wrong about using it? I do not
- deny the distinction between rape and contraceptive failure, merely
- argue that it is irrelevant to the legitimacy of abortion.
-
- Tep
- --
- I don't need you to worry for me 'cause I'm all right | Dear Lord, give
- I don't want you to tell me it's time to come home. | me chastity...
- I don't care what you say anymore, this is my life. | but not yet.
- Go ahead with your own life, leave me alone. --B. Joel| --St. Augustine
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