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- From: mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran)
- Subject: Re: Abortion, Caves, Galen (WAS Vegetarianism and abortion)
- Message-ID: <1993Jan10.140009.13713@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
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- Date: Sun, 10 Jan 93 14:00:09 GMT
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- In article <1993Jan10.055207.16469@rotag.mi.org> kevin@rotag.mi.org (Kevin Darcy) writes:
- >In article <1992Dec23.060029.1868@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu> mcochran@nyx.cs.du.edu (Mark A. Cochran) writes:
- >>
- >>And physicians do *not* determine that an abortion is necessary.
- >>The patients condition is explained to them, and their options are
- >>outlined. The risks and benefit of each option are detailed, and the
- >>patient then makes their own choice as to treatment. I would like to
- >>see you produce an example of a physician performing an abortion based
- >>on his decision, and not the patients. A physician may suggest that
- >>abortion is the safest option, but not determine what is best for the
- >>patient. That decision is left to the patient.
- >
- >Which is precisely *WHY* abortion cannot be treated as "strictly a medical
- >issue": there's a whole host of other factors besides medicine which go into
- >each and every abortion decision -- economics, sociology, religion, ethics,
- >psychology, etc.
- >
- Oh Kebbin, you're so funny. I've always said an aboriton should be
- treated as a medical and personal issue. I have never maintained that
- it was "strictly a medical issue". There's no such thing. The patient
- is always involved, and has the right to make their own choices about
- treatment.
- And the patient is the only one who is in a position to make
- judgements about the economic, social, religious ethical and
- psychological factors. They are *her* economic, social, religious,
- ethical and psychological factors, not yours. Wht can you know about
- them?
-
- >Now that we've dispensed with the naive, dangerous "treat abortion strictly
- >as a medical issue" chestnut, shall we get on to some constructive dialog on
- >how to deal with the problem of unwanted pregnancies?
- >
- That depends. Are you ready to stop pretending to be pro-choice when
- you are arguing for restrictions?
-
- > - Kevin
- >
- >UNRETRACTED LIE
- >---------------
- >
- >"Darcy has been consistently criticized for labelling
- > himself 'pro-choice' while arguing for restrictions on abortion."
- > Susie Garvin
- > Sun, 18 Oct 92 20:37:06 GMT
- > <1992Oct18.203706.21850@mnemosyne.cs.du.edu>
-
- Kebbie, we've gone through this in justthe last couple weeks. This is
- *not* a lie. Whether you agree with the critizisms or not, you *have*
- been consistently criticized in exactly this manner.
-
- --
- Mark Cochran merlin@eddie.ee.vt.edu
- These are the views of my employer, your employer, your government, the
- Church of your choice, and the Ghost of Elvis. So there.
- Member, T.S.A.K.C.
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